1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

If you were about to lose your job?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by JimmyCrackCorn, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:24 AM
    #1
    JimmyCrackCorn

    JimmyCrackCorn [OP] Atlanta Falcons

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Member:
    #11292
    Messages:
    766
    Gender:
    Male
    Cumming, GA (N. Atlanta Area)
    Vehicle:
    2008 Black PreRunner TRD Sport
    Aero Kit, 3" Lift, 18% All Around Tint, 50% Windshield Tint, MO 957's (Polished), 285/65/18 Terra Grappler's
    OK, here the deal. My company is feeling the effects of the economic downfall of the past 12 - 18 months. I'm faced with the reality that I can't afford both my current payroll and business expenses. One or the other has to be cut. At $75,000 monthly sales, I can easily afford six employees. But, at $50,000, I can't. I've made a decision to let two of them go. The remaining four can easily handle the current workload. I hate it, I really do! But by doing this, I will free up $5000 a month to throw at other bills.

    I've had to fire people before when they deserved it, but this is different. I'm not necessarily "FIRING" them. I was planning on approaching the issue more like, "I can't afford to keep you on the payroll right now, so I must let you go until things pick up." I would certainly ask them back when things picked up if they were available.

    I thought about it all night, but anyway you look at it....it fuckin sucks! They like their jobs and I like them!

    My question is this: (How would you wish to be told if it were you?) Should I sit them both down together or do it individually? I could get my manager to do it, but I think it needs to come from me. I planned on doing it tomorrow afternoon. Any thoughts, ideas, or opinions are appreciated!
     
  2. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:29 AM
    #2
    oldtacomaguy

    oldtacomaguy four forty four

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Member:
    #444
    Messages:
    10,031
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    SE Conn.
    Vehicle:
    08 SR-5 4WD Impulse Red Pearl
    Alpine deck and amp, Polk speakers front and rear, Kenwood subwoofer, windows tinted to 20%, Sockmonkey decals, TSB, Eibach springs and Bilstein 5100's
    You need to sit them down one on one and look them in the eye when you let them go. I would really consider keeping everyone on and cutting their salaries. $75,000 is good money, $50,000 is better than the door.
     
  3. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM
    #3
    cvillechopper

    cvillechopper Jackass to the masses

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2007
    Member:
    #3378
    Messages:
    538
    Gender:
    Male
    Charlottesville, VA
    Vehicle:
    12 DCSB TRD Off-Rd 4x4, Roof Rack, Tube Steps
    K&N drop-in air-filter, extra D-rings, Custom Console lock-box, Leather heated seats, Studly Driver
    Individually! Personally I would hate it if I got that kinda news next to the other guy that's getting the same. The individual attention may help to convince them that you really care (obvious by your post, not as much from their perspective) and maybe it would be easier to take. Just my 2c.
     
  4. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM
    #4
    mjp2

    mjp2 Living vicariously though myself Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Member:
    #924
    Messages:
    17,767
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Milton Juevos Portimous II
    NJ
    Vehicle:
    '06 TRD Access Cab, v6, 6-speed
    Scaffolding and a painted grill
    Business is business, and I would expect the message to be delivered as such. Having it come from you is a strong move and I'd definitely appreciate that. It shows consideration and respect. Do it individually.

    Just be honest. Business has slowed and the company has to adjust as a result. Payroll is necessarily being reduced through a reduction in headcount.

    Work with them to make sure they receive unemployment benefits, offer to be a reference for any jobs they apply for, and make it clear that they'll be the first to hear from you if things improve. Maybe offer a week or two severance pay if your budget allows for it.
     
  5. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM
    #5
    Dustin03

    Dustin03 The Cooler King

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2008
    Member:
    #9043
    Messages:
    271
    Gender:
    Male
    Arizona
    Vehicle:
    Expeditionary vehicle in training.
    Old Man Emu 2.5" lift, brush guard (about to be changed), grey-wire mod, custom bed mounts for 4 jerrycans, custom survival box, maglite mount, KC Dayliters.
    Ditto.
     
  6. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM
    #6
    Racinkid13

    Racinkid13 Problem Child

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Member:
    #12906
    Messages:
    261
    Gender:
    Male
    Kent,WA
    Vehicle:
    SR5 TRD debadged and beaten
    many
    A one on one with the actual person making the ultimate decision is what I would want, and honesty on why. Im sure that alone would encourage them to come back if things allow you to ask them to come back.
     
  7. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM
    #7
    fuel100

    fuel100 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Member:
    #12773
    Messages:
    104
    Gender:
    Male
    Amarillo, TX
    Vehicle:
    08 Prerunner SR5 V6
    I've had to do that and it does suck. It's easy to fire someone when they desreve it, but layoffs are truly difficult. Do it individually and with sincerity, it will lighten the load a little.
     
  8. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM
    #8
    Brunes

    Brunes abides.

    Joined:
    May 31, 2008
    Member:
    #7011
    Messages:
    17,641
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rotorhead
    DC or New Jersey - Depends on the day....
    Vehicle:
    08 Red/Graphite and Satin Black
    Inside: Tint, Wet Okole 1/2 Piped Red/Black Covers, Black Weathertech Digital Fit Mats, URD Short Throw w/ TWM Weighted Knob, USA Spec iPod adapter. Outside: 4300K Retro w/ Angel Eyes and Red Shrouds, 5000K Blazer Fog Light Retrofit, Debadge, Bed Locking Handle, Satin Black Rims Performance: TRD/Steigmeier Blower w/ 2.7 Pulley. 668 Injectors and 320 LPH AEM Fuel pump. URD UCON and 7th Injector. DTLT Headers, URD Y-Pipe, Wicked Flow Muffler. Suspension: Both: OME Shocks Front: 886X's and TC UCAs Rear: Dakars Armor: Relentless Front Bumper Relentless High Clearance Rear w/ Tire/Rotopax Swing Out Relentless Front, Mid, and TCase skids BAMF Diff Skid Recovery and Spares: Fullsize Spare Tire 2x2 gal Rotopax 1x1 gal Rotopax 1x1 gal Water Rotopax Warn 9.5XP-S Winch Hi-Lift Extreme 60" Ironman Off-Road Recovery Kit
    Good on you for thinking about doing it yourself- and deffo do it individually. Leaving that opportunity open for them to come back when business picks up and/or offering them letters of recommendation to help them along their way.

    Good luck man...sorry it's gotta go down like that.
     
  9. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM
    #9
    Ry1984

    Ry1984 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Member:
    #11203
    Messages:
    825
    Gender:
    Male
    From Texas, Now Miami FL
    Vehicle:
    01' ExtCab SR5 2.7 4x4
    K&N FIPK, Billy 5100 all around, 881's in the front, Toytec AAL
    Jimmy maybe you could let them know and give them a grace month or so to be looking for another job while still working for you. That way if they have a family and stuff they won't be hit cold turkey. Of course i'm not in your situation and you may have to do it sooner than not, but if they are getting paid decent by you it may be hard to find a job to match or get close to what you may be giving them. Either way you are in a tough situation but i'm sure they will know the sincerity of your not wanting them to go. :(
     
  10. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM
    #10
    NAAC3TACO

    NAAC3TACO Just east of crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Member:
    #8350
    Messages:
    4,259
    Gender:
    Male
    Sparks, NV
    Vehicle:
    2014 SR5 DCLB 4x4
    Color matched door handles, Weathertech floor liners, bed mat, Durafit seat covers, tailgate clamp, 2016 TRD Sport 17" wheels with Toyo A30 tires, Toyota exhaust tip, Toyota/Yakima bike rail mount, Toyota wheel locks, Toyota hitch cover.
    I can always tell when bosses are lying to me and it sucks. Be honest. In this current economic climate they will probably understand. It's a shame so many people are losing jobs, especially at small businesses. They are the backbone of what makes this country great. Good luck.
     
  11. Jan 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM
    #11
    mws4ua

    mws4ua I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter.

    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Member:
    #6624
    Messages:
    7,079
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    Birmingham
    Vehicle:
    Sold my truck Jan '13... Still hang around.
    How long do you plan to give them to find another job? I assume (hope) you're not sitting them down tomorrow and telling them for the first time, then expecting them not to come back on Monday. I don't know if there are laws or anything, but I'd give them 2 weeks or so.

    I agree w/ most of what's above. I'd want a one-on-one with the person making the decision, and I would want honesty about why it was being done AND about why I was being chosen as one of the people being let go.
     
  12. Jan 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM
    #12
    Roland

    Roland My other ride has sails

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Member:
    #4149
    Messages:
    2,401
    Gender:
    Male
    Rhode Island
    Vehicle:
    06 Impulse Red I4 2WD Access Cab
    UnderCover Tonneau, Bed mat, Bug Deflector, aFe Pro Dry S, Secondary Air Filter removed, Synthetic 5W-30 oil, Scanguage II with blendmount, WeatherTech floorliners, Toyota seat covers, Installed OEM intermittent wipers, TacomaWorld sticker, Defrost without AC mod, Hidden Hitch
    In Rhode Island some companies have worked a deal with the state unemployment agency. Rather than laying off people during a slow down they have reduced the company work week to 24 or 32 hours and and the state gives the workers a benefit that makes up the lost wages. It's not the right answer for everyone but in the cases it works it seems to be a pretty good solution for (hopefully) short term difficulties.
     
  13. Jan 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM
    #13
    goofyboy

    goofyboy Longhorn.

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Member:
    #9559
    Messages:
    222
    Gender:
    Male
    Katy, Tx
    Vehicle:
    09 TRD Sport
    are they in sales? you could offer them straight commision or something like that.

    also, if i was going to get laid off, i would love two weeks notice, at least. that will give me a little time to get my affairs in some kind of order and maybe change my budget. Employees are expected to give two weeks - it is nice when it comes from the employer too.
     
  14. Jan 29, 2009 at 6:52 PM
    #14
    hoosiertaco

    hoosiertaco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Member:
    #9084
    Messages:
    4,928
    I admire you Jimmy for wanting to handle this yourself.

    As far as how to tell someone, I think it has been covered quite well above.

    I'm not a buisness owner but here is my low value take.

    Assuming all 6 are of equal value to the company, and you have a decent relationship with all of them. I'm also assuming they all make about the same salary. For this posts sake, just assuming you haven't targeted 2 for dismissal yet, here is my take............

    I crunched the numbers, and maybe you could try a dual wave re-organization.(this is how I've seen big industry HR handle tough situations)

    You said you wanted to handle this yourself, so this would come from you also.

    Wave 1: They will understand your decline in buisness, so explain to continue to be successful, you need to make a 30% (wouldn't that be close to the $5000 you need a month?) pay cut for each of the 6 employess. If this is not feasable to them, then your hand would be forced to dismiss 2.(game over) If there are 2 already on the fence as far as performance, this would probably not work.(they could get targeted by the others)

    Wave 2: It could then be explained this is temporary and could go 1 of 2 ways down the road. Either when buisness picks up, wages could be restored, or if buisness gets worse, then a possible release of employees.

    To me this would show an intentional effort to preserve their position with your company.

    Here at Cummins many are down to 32hour work weeks. That would be almost a 25% pay cut from a 40 hour work week. But considering most of those people were used to working about 60 hours a week in the summer, their pay was reduced by much more than 30%. I can actually list many other local factories that have cut back to 32 and sometimes 24 hour work weeks.

    You said 4 could easily handle the load, so cut all 6 of their hours along with pay and tell them its more time with their family right now. Also you mentioned cutting salary or expenses, you only posted about salaries, are expenses already squeezed as tight as possible?

    Didn't mean to dig or get personal, but you asked for thoughts, ideas or opinions.:p

    Sorry if this wasted ya'lls time, I'm bored, so I played with the numbers:playball:
     
To Top