I'll wait until the dust settles on the 4th gen before buying !

larger diameter pistons and piggybacks with outboard mounting positions. I’ll let you figure out how that could be better.

It’s not questionable that the new drivetrain delivers more torque far sooner in the RPM range. It’s factual. “Well I don’t need it” doesn’t make it untrue.

Since the tire diameter is larger, you’ll get the same sidewall as the outgoing 17.

 

Alrighty man

 

I mean, I’m just trying to be objective about it. There are lots of improvements beyond a large screen in the 24s. I know you want that to not be true.

 

You know that “I want that to not be true”? Bold statement sir, I didn’t know you can read people’s minds.

I’ll mention this again, I was super excited about 4G. All this hype how “great” this “new” truck is going to be. After seeing pretty much same specs as 3G, I was very disappointed. Longer wheelbase and can’t even make rear leg room bigger? It’s been one of biggest complaints ever since Tacomas existed. They turned this thing into a “luxury” car with a bed IMHO.

I do not see “lots of improvements”
Like I said, back seats still cramped. Pretty much same payload, pretty much same MPG, rated to tow less then outdoing model. Do you see any major improvements? I certainly do not.

They improved in some areas but it’s so minor, nothing to write home about. Especially at 58k for TRD OR.

 

Kinda like thinking that it tows less while not realizing that the tow rating is the same as his truck, not less. Nevermind the actual quality of the towing experience with the more torque that may not exist.

Some people want to be mad about improvement

 

What about for a $45k truck?

 

Here are some facts:

Driving uphill, unladen. 2500 RPMs, barely giving any throttle. Do you see an issue with torque? There is plenty of it.



Here are more facts:

Towing about 4.5k pounds extra tall trailer, while over payload, going uphill and fighting headwinds. 3400 RPMs and about 1/4 of throttle application:




Do you see an issue with torque? I certainly don’t. My truck is on 33s, lifted and carries 350-550 of constant weight depending on the season.


Coping? Far from it. If you boys can’t realize that other people will have their opinions without you being triggered then I’m not sure what to tell ya.

 

Look at my post above. Quality of towing is just fine.

Again, you are making pretty strong assumptions. I’m not even close to being mad, not sure where you are getting this from. I’m having a civil conversation regarding 4G and it’s very entertaining to be honest. I’m not the one posting immature GIFs/pictures to try to make fun of others, just saying.

You still haven’t told me what are all these “major improvements”. I’ll wait

 

I’ve listed several improvements, and when told things like “hey the new drivetrain produces more torque far earlier in the rev range, which is good for truck stuff,” you respond with “well that’s questionable.”

It’s not honest discourse.


I do love the lie that you’re at 1/4 throttle while your MPG shows close to 6mpg, though. Also the totally true uphill at 2500rpm barely on the throttle while chewing up 30l/100km. Again, not honest discourse

 

Insert the "Well....bye" MEME here.

 

If you don’t believe me that’s totally fine with me. I know the truth. it’s interesting how you are making all these assumptions That tells me something. Also, your math is incorrect sir. I’m not gonna get bent out of shape like some you guys.

Out of “major improvements” you named: coil link rear suspension (only on higher trims), better shocks (I had zero issues with stock shocks) better power (again questionable after watching TFL towing video, I’ve got zero issues with power), 18” rims are “better” ( What has more sidewall 33 on 16” rim or 18”), what else? Um better interior? Sure, not for me though. Exterior, sure for some. My point is the main things that folks have been complaining about since 1G haven’t really been addressed besides having “more power” and that’s totally true.

The fact remains that the specs of a 4G are not far off 2G that was released 21(!) years ago. Please prove me wrong there.

General MPG, not far off 2G
Towing MPG trash just like 2G
Payload? Pretty much same as 1G(!)
Power? Maybe, maybe not. If some folks are very satisfied with 4G performance that’s awesome!
Rear seat legroom? Haven’t improved since 1G.
Longer wheelbase = worse off-road.
Less ground clearance, fuel tank sits pretty low.
Turbo charged engine=questionable reliability.

I’ve said this the first day I got my truck and I’ll say this 6 years later. I love my truck and keeping it forever. I’m
Not the one calling 4G turds, or using terms like “mad” or “coping”. You can make your own conclusion who is mad here

All I said is 4G specs are unimpressive and interior/ exterior looks like a toy to me. For some reason that really triggers some dudes. If one is happy with 4G, that’s fantastic and I’m happy for them.

Don’t get mr wrong 2G to 3G barely saw any improvements. A bit more power and better looking interior and exterior, otherwise it’s pretty much same truck. I still bought it cuz it checked all my boxes and every time I get in I have a smile on my face. Yet, It seems to be hard to believe for some folks.

 

Welcome to TW! Great second post sir

 

My math is not incorrect. You can easily see your instantaneous mileage and convert. Both of your pics betray a falsehood in how hard you’re pushing the truck.


As for the rest, you don’t find value in the improvements, fine. That doesn’t mean they aren’t real. I have had no trouble doing all the truck stuff with my first gen, but still know the 4th is a massive improvement. Both will tow my trailer and bike uphill. That doesn’t make them equal.

 

Sigh… it is incorrect.

23L per 100 is almost 11 MPG which is expected when my truck is over payload and towing extra tall trailer through mountain passes. Again totally cool of you don’t believe me. Not sure where you got 30L per 100 km either.

In the “unladen” pic it shows 16.8 L per 100km. I live in a very cold climate, do a lot of short trips and tow my trailer from time time, so hence shitty fuel economy on the readout. I’m not trying to hide and if you don’t believe me that’s totally cool with me.

And as for the “improvements”? Of course I don’t find the value cuz it’s almost same specs as a 1st Gen besides the HP and TQ. If you value these improvements that’s great man and I couldn’t be happier for you.

If barely any improvements were made since 2G in biggest items such as MPG, payload, power, towing MPGs, off-road performance, rear seat room, ground clearance then im not sure what to tell ya. 2nd Gen was realessed in 2005… we are on year 2024 yet still getting 21 combined MPGs with 1200 payload. Uuuuuuge improvements!

But anyway, apparently I’m liar, mad, coping and super jealous of 4G. If that makes some of you duders feel better then that’s totally fine with me. Now, I must go sit inside my turd and cry, wishing I had a “very improved” 4G.

 

The instantaneous numbers in your pics are 30 and 40l/100km at the moments you’re “barely touching the throttle,” and “less than 1/4 throttle.” I don’t doubt your trip numbers, but your descriptions of pulling uphill without effort are blatantly untrue

 

Ok. If you say so man.

See ya! Or not.

 

I mean, it’s literally in the photo. And somehow you’re the only person ever to own a 3g Tacoma that can haul 8000lbs gross uphill with 1/4 throttle but still consuming 40l/100km.

the 3g is a great truck, there’s no need to misrepresent what it can do, especially when you’re posting pics that prove yourself wrong. There’s no way to get 7-8mpg at 2500rpm while “barely touching the throttle.”

 

Gawd.

If you must know how a 3rd Gen instant readout works, I’ll explain it to you.

This is me accelerating on a flat road, unladen:

I’m barely touching the throttle and it’s showing almost 30L per 100km. So when I say it was about 1/4 throttle application, that’s exactly what it was when I was towing that trailer.

You can believe me or not, I really don’t care. I know what I’m saying is true and that’s all that matters to me.

“And somehow you’re the only person ever to own a 3g Tacoma that can haul 8000lbs gross uphill with 1/4 throttle but still consuming 40l/100km”
^^^
FYI there are a lot of folks that are completely satisfied with towing performance of their 3G. Way more than unsatisfied. But hey, you got your own opinion and that won’t change. Totally fine with me.

 

I never said people were unsatisfied, I said that you’re the only one hauling 8000lbs gross while barely touching the throttle yet somehow still getting 6mpg

yes, instant accelerations also give low mileage/high consumption. However, even that moderate acceleration is lower instantaneous consumption than the pic where you’re “barely touching the throttle” going uphill.


Again, your truck is rad, no need to make it something it isn’t. You’re not getting 7-8mpg uphill while using no throttle. I do, however, love that you criticized the 4g for low towing MPG when you’re getting <10mpg towing at lower speeds than the TFL guy’s video you formed your opinion on.

 

I said what I said and I stay behind it. I know my truck much better than you.

Carry on.