Imminent Crankshaft Position Sensor (CPS) failure in 2016s?

As a GM tech, I can go to any model specific forum and find "horrible problems that plague every vehicle". Yet I will never see said problem in the real world.

 

This is not pointed at you but for my Toyota dealership they refuse to aknowledge anything as a problem so it is hard for them to see it in the real world. I mean how can aftermarket tires cause a speed specific differential whine that I can hear over the stereo?? Toyota customer service has been the worst.

 

What you would be hoping for, is a RECALL. A service bulletin won't do you any good unless the part actually fails. Service bulletins are basically just notes for the dealership service department to help them figure out how to fix something that is exhibiting a symptom.

 

The problem that Toyota dealers and other brand dealers may have in addressing warranty repair concerns is that they have to be identified as a issue and the repair procedure may have to come from the factory.
Let’s just say I work as a tech for Toyota and have a customer with a rear leaf spring noise and I know how to fix it. I can’t fix it unless Toyota is aware of the issue and has an approved repair method or TSB in order for the dealer and me to get paid.
That make take some time as factory techs maybe dispatched to verify all new problems as they pop up.
This maybe hard for ppl and me to understand
Hope that helps
Cheers!

 

that's how toyota works? GM allows us to make the decision on how to repair a concern. Based on the repairs techs make, they may issue a PI (bulletin) on the procedure that they feel works best.

 

This makes sense, since we read about all these Toyota dealership issues, where they just say "Thats Normal". My guess is the "Normal" answer enrages people less than the Service Writer saying "yeah that's a problem, but we can't touch it until Toyota tells us how". So, with that said, I will wait for TSB's or Recalls to show up on TW before I visit the dealership ever again. Sounds to me like GM has the way better model, I bet there are tons of field techs that have way better skills at real world solutions to vehicle problems.

 

I thought that was only true for “paid” work, not warranty work where the factory is the customer. If that’s the case, it’s good to know.
I don’t work for Toyota so I can’t say for sure, but based on all the delays ppl have in getting repairs approved, it seems logical to me, insofar as warranty work goes.
Cheers!

 

Flat rate techs don't get paid unless they make a repair. So I very rarely just ship a vehicle.

 

As long as our repair fixes the vehicle, the factory doesn't care. I just put a $1700 AWD clutch assembly in a terrain the other day due to a faulty temp sensor.

 

Yeah, but that would have a factory documented repair procedure. I’m speaking of doing your own repair solutions you learned from other dealers/shops that repair lets just say a rear leaf spring noise that so many ppl are waiting on Toyota to repair.
I know how to repair that, so I don’t get the hesitation by Toyota to get it done.
Cheers!

 

It would take me days to explain how dealer service works.

 

Yeah, bureaucracy usually is lmaoo!
But we should stay on the CPS topic
Cheers!

 

I'd love to see the waveform on a "failed" CPS sensor. Just for shits and giggles.

 

OP, sell it and get something different if you're really concerned about it. I had a 2014 Santa Fe Sport Limited that melted spark plugs every 3000 miles, on one such incident the ceramic portion took a trip through the engine, they assured me a bore scope showed no signs of cylinder wall scoring, or that the turbo was fine etc. I called bullshit. The POS quite literally was in the shop every 3000 miles for the same problem. After the fifth time they said they had a fix by reflashing the ECU but the pig started acting up again after the flash. So I ditched it at a loss of 11K and got my 2015 Tacoma. The short of the long is that if you don't trust your vehicle to get you in and out of the places you love, going to those places will always come with a certain amount of angst. We had to drive three hours back home in the middle of a two week camping trip because the Santa Fe had one of its incidences.

A vehicle you feel you can't rely on isn't a vehicle worth having. Just my opinion.

 

Lucky you. For us, no repair=no pay. We don't get paid any testing or diag time on warranty work. Only paid for replacing parts or making repairs.

 

It's just one of those things we learn to deal with. Usually there is enough customer pay work to make up for warranty.

 

Sure have. But so far no one can come close to matching my pay.

 

The waveform could look the same as a good CKP sensor, just pulling down to 3-5V instead of 0V...

 

Does Toyota not program in any redundant engine position measures? Many other manufacturers will still run on CMPs if the CKP fails

 

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Knock yourself out.