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In Defense of the Second Amendment

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Packman73, Sep 8, 2010.

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  1. Sep 8, 2010 at 10:50 PM
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    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5755508/in_defense_of_the_second_amendment.html?cat=37

    The first ten amendments to the Constitution are the Bill of Rights. These were created as limits to the government's power over the people. Focusing specifically on the 2nd amendment - "A well regulated Militia,
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    being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - this is not to be interpreted as the gun control advocates have suggested. There have been some arguments that this amendment was meant only for United States military or for those in law enforcement and the various state National Guard units. To construe this amendment to suggest that by "well regulated militia" the framers meant the National Guard or the military is preposterous.

    Firstly, one must realize that at the time this amendment was written everyone possessed a gun, whether for protection or hunting. Many of the weapons used in the Revolutionary War were those the citizens used in daily life. In the early days of this country the United States could not afford shoes for the troops much less weapons, therefore many citizens needed to use their own.

    One of the reasons the Revolutionary War started is because the British were coming to confiscate the citizens' weaponry and ammunition supplies. The citizens moved their weapons to a place away from the advancing British Army. Why would King George want to take possession of all the weapons in the colonies? The British were of the mind that an unarmed citizen was a subjugated one and therefore easier to assert control over.

    I think the most obvious aspect that this amendment was meant to restrict the government's infringement of this right is that the entire Bill of Rights was to restrict the government's interference in its' citizens daily lives. If, as it is suggested, that only the federal government possesses the right to keep and bear arms why would that same government have put that in a list of rights for the people?
     
  2. Sep 9, 2010 at 8:21 AM
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    According to the liberal anti gun folk, 200+ years of change renders the Constitution irrelevant, in regards to armed citizenry. Meanwhile that same inept sheeple crowd uses the "Freedom of "Speech" clause to justify their every other whimpering demand.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM
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    Yawn.

    This one trick pony show is getting kinda boring...
     
  4. Sep 9, 2010 at 8:52 AM
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    WHOA WHOA WHOA PFXD! I think you mean they wanted our Tea because the leaves were fresher and our parties were off the hook. You how CRUNK those old wigs used to get?!

    But...this is one of your constitutional rights. Something that should never be infringed upon. PFXD is obviously very passionate about the 2nd amendment and is doing his duty of informing and educating people. If you don't like all the posts then don't open the thread. Some of us like it, some of us don't. Personally I think it's great that people care so much about issues the affect everyone. And there has to be some revelance and importance to it all but people lose sight that we the people should be telling the rule makers the best thing for us, not a select few
     
  5. Sep 9, 2010 at 9:11 AM
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    I've heard this record before, too.

    It's old. It's tired. It's not informative or educational. It's rabble-rousing and fear-mongering.

    A consistent barrage of whatever 2nd Amendment-related article someone pulls from biased sources is not educational. It's trolling. And it waters down the message.

    So, I say again, yawn. There is nothing new in this post. It's a repost.
     
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    I love the ignore list for this particular kind of troll.
     
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    Let's examine..

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Regulate = control
    Militia = people with guns

    What the amendment does not say is that the people can own any type of gun or how many. If the "people with guns" are "controlled" then it is reasonable to say that the government can have control over the type, number of guns one can own. To infringe on someone's right to own a gun is meaning the government says you cannot own any guns. If you own only two guns then the government is not infringing on our rights. The amendment does not say, A well "UNregulated" or "UNcontrolled" Militia. To regulate is to control, so the government should have some control on one's right to own firearms.

    Can I own a canon; can I own a missile launcher? It says you can own guns. Could be two, could be three; pistol, shotgun and rifle. But since it says "regulated", means to me and others that a government can control our right to own guns.
    I'm not anti gun and I know probably 95% of people on here are NRA members, but that does not mean that the NRA's interpretation of what the second amendment says is the only way to interpret it.
     
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    Seems like a few sheep need to read the federalist papers and manuscripts of the drafters of the Constitution (founding fathers) to fully understand their original and clear intent.
     
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    hmm... a militia is defined as a group of people enrolled for military service, not just a group of people with weapons.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Militia+
    i would argue that the control should be control on the group, not control on the weapons specifically.
     
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    Ok, so only people that have been in the military can own a gun? Never thought of that one. One more possible control the government could impose.
     
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    not long enough for that yet...

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    It's pretty simple. People in America can have different views on something.
     
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    no... i was talking about the definition of a militia in referrence to the control over that militia... which is separate from the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms"
    i am not saying that only people in the military should own weapons. i was just making a distinction between the control of the group vs the control of the weapons.
     
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    Yup, most people want to keep America as it was intended under the Constitution and some people want to "fundamentally transform America".
     
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    I love these thread. I am all Constitution all the time. Too bad IT didnt come with cliffnotes!!
     
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    ya, no kidding. the interpretation is why there is all the controversy and different points of view :)
     
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    Yup, I know a few. Like I said, I'm not anti-gun. But I do believe that others can a different view from how the Constitution is interprated. By the looks of your user line, your not a fan of the 14th amendment section 1 clause 1.
     
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    If it's so boring and un-informative, then why read/post about it. Obviously it bothered you enough that you would leave not one, but two elitist comments about it.

    There's nothing so grave than to forget the lessons we've learned overtime. I'll agree that it's been said before, but there's nothing in there that isn't worth saying over and over so we don't forget about it.

    I think that about sums it and that's all we need to hear from you. :bored: What you've said has been said before :yawn:, it's nothing new?
     
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