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Investment BS Thread - Stocks/Futures/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Commodities/Options/ETFs/401ks/Etc

Discussion in 'Stocks & Investments' started by ThunderOne, Feb 1, 2018.

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  1. Mar 4, 2019 at 1:02 PM
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    707tothe907

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    Just took a peak based on this comment using Boyk’s link.

    I don’t deal with REITs but I do deal with other styles of real estate investment companies.

    Debt is higher than PPE, looks like they have a lot of assets in the form of intangibles and goodwill. In this industry I’d like to see debt be closer to PPE, but I didn’t dig enough to see the breakout of what debt or intangibles are.

    Operating cash flow looks pretty good, but looks like depreciation/amortization increasing is a huge factor on this. Wonder what’s causing the increase. I’ll try to find some time this evening to look further into the financials.
     
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    Interesting trend after Dividend payouts, i know the stock should drop the dividend pay but has drops of $3-$6 after dividends the last few payouts (while payout is $0.58-$0.61)

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  4. Mar 5, 2019 at 4:48 AM
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    That is weird, but the market as a whole over that time period has been pretty crazy. As a long term hold it looks like you would have collected 6% in dividends and lost none of your principal.
     
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    A lot of stock charts are somewhat misleading because the Y axis doesn't start at $0, which makes the stock look WAY more volatile than it really is.
     
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    Just threw a limit order out for MCD at $177. We'll see if it gets there sometime in the next 60 days
     
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    Which stocks is everyone looking at for 5G. I was thinking CSCO will be a big hit.
     
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    I am going to get into that soon probably. Already have T and VZ.
     
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    Does anybody else think were in the beginning stage of a housing correction?
     
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    If we are I hope it holds off another 6 months so I can cash out when I transfer.
     
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    I feel it started last September i believe but prices have not fallen much
    Most of the basis of supply/demand and how long houses are on the market you can see prices go down


    I need to get a new house, since i miss having a garage.... but the condo is so easy!!! Pricing seems better in my area compared to last year, and more choices

    One thing that is nice if you check on zillow (maybe some other sites) you can see price history, its still crazy i see houses for sale that were bought 2 years ago and they want $100,000 more than what they paid then... nuts

    Supply/demand
    Region (if there is work)
    Property taxes ( taxes hiked in many counties around me up to 9% more, people are feeling it, and may lead to more selling)

    Who just got Amazon HQ2? im sure that region is sky rocketing right now
     
  13. Mar 6, 2019 at 8:00 AM
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    here's some data I posted in the nashville thread.



    these are quick and dirty, I dont like how Zillow structures their data where the date is a column. But it is what it is.
    All of this data is available here: https://www.zillow.com/research/data/

    Days on Zillow:




    The buy vs. rent breakeven horizon for Nashville is 2 years and 1 month.
    For my zip code it is 4 years and 3 months.
    The longest breakeven point is zip code 37219, which is 6 years and 1 month, which is downtown (lol).
    The shortest is zip 37207, which is North Nashville, just north of the Cumberland (often called one of the worst areas in town currently), which is 1 year and 6 months.

    Keep in mind that this "breakeven point" likely assumed that the home will always appreciate in value. As many of you know, that is not always going to happen. If people end up underwater on their mortgage, it would set off a chain reaction in the market and would cause a selloff.

    For buying the report assumes:

    • A 20% down payment
    • Monthly payments on a 30-year fixed rate mortgage at the current interest rate for people with credit ratings between 680 and 740
    • Property taxes
    • Homeowner’s insurance
    • 3% purchase costs
    • 8% selling costs (because that’s how owners realize the gains)
    • Annual maintenance costs equal to 1% of the home’s value
    • For condos, 1.2% a year in HOA fees
    • Home appreciation forecasts
    • Federal tax deductions
    For renting the report assumes:

    • A deposit equal to one month’s rent
    • Rent payments
    • Renter’s insurance
    • 5% annual investment gains on money that would have been used as a down payment or gone towards other homeowner expenses the renter avoids






    unfortunately Zillow's data on "seasonally adjusted" sale prices are completely removed from reality when looking at the other charts. So take this one with a grain of salt. There were no options for "non-seasonally adjusted" data.


    Thanks to nearly a decade of ZIRP propping up the economy and dubious decision making by Fed Chairman Bernanke after the financial crisis, we are seeing a period of asset inflation that has caused home prices to rise nearly 100% in Nashville. Sprinkle in a little bit of AirBnb investors using homes as speculative investments and you have what we see here. The increase in lending rates has had a minimal effect on the buying and selling activity thus far. I would not be surprised in sale activity remains relatively flat now that there are going to be little/no interest rate hikes by the Fed and the interest rates being set at what the Fed calls "neutral".
     
  14. Mar 6, 2019 at 8:13 AM
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    LOL, NIO is down 20% today on "wider than expected loss". For once I sold at the peak and didn't get greedy. Pumping up a stock because your company got on "60 minutes" for free advertising was too easy to call.

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    What do they say about a blind squirrel?
     
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    Roku is killing it!! Damn I wish I wouldve bought in back in January
     
  17. Mar 6, 2019 at 8:56 AM
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    I've watched it drop and subsequently shoot back up. That stock is volatile as hell. Makes me too uncomfortable to throw money at it lol. But I'm watching it.
     
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    yeah yeah :rolleyes:
     
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    I say my portfolio fell about 2k this week. :mad:
     
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    CISCO is holding up right now, but since the market is down might be a good time to buy some other tech stocks like INTEL while they are down per share they pay 2.35% yield dividend
     
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