Is it still worth buying a 2023 Tacoma?

I’m in awe to find out how the same amount of dinosaurs burned in one engine results in better emissions over another.

 

This is perfect even my wife liked it.

 

There isn't going to be an EV that is long lasting. I give the battery an average life span of six years. Those EVs might be reliable for those six, years. I agree that the better EVs will come from EV companies and not the legacy built EVs.

I don't expect battery technology to substantially improve for another 20 years at the earliest. That's only if the EV market expands to where manufacturers think it's viable. There's nothing going on today that suggest there will be substantial growth in the EV market. With the exception of people replacing their 6 year old or newer EV. How many people are going to stick with electric after having had already owned one?

 

Most of the batteries are warrantied for 10 years I believe... Unfortunately I believe most people will be forced to stick with an electric vehicle whether they want to or not, with a few states banning the sale of anything but electric, and the European Union passing regulations that the only new cars that can be sold in the EU after 2030 are electric..I think there will be a push to see who makes the most reliable electric vehicles and your traditional companies may not make the grade.

Sure there will be plenty of used gasoline vehicles on the road, but I would bet between gas prices going insane once EV's are mandated, and the tightening of emissions, they will quickly try to push gas power cars to the junkyard, kinda like they got a lot of good old vehicles off the road during cash for clunkers.

Luckily for me I am at the point were most of this will not matter or matter very little.

 

@Longbed3rdgen

I've got adult kids who both learned how to drive stick-shift. (32 & 27)

It may have been because of their exposure to living abroad...places like Germany & Italy where manual transmissions is the norm. (I'm retired military)

Then we rotate back to the good ol' US of A and low and behold they find friends in High School who also had an interest in manual gearboxes.

I don't believe it's right to pool groups into the same category and claim them all to be one type.

I learned how to drive stick-shift as a teenager and wrecked a couple of cars doing so.

Fortunately, my daughters didn't crash any vehicles like I did.

It's cool that we know how to drive stick-shift...but it doesn't make us any better than those who don't.

 

Agreed… more basic concept are creeping in…

That is what happens when you carry TWO power-trains around…

 

I am expecting the Tacoma Hybrid will only get 1MPG better also, but probably a huge difference in price.

 

GM already learned that hybrid trucks don’t work.

 

On paper it does. My point was that 21/22mpg is shit for a new generation of a vehicle. They should be shooting for 25-30+ mpg. If that means making the truck smaller and lighter with slightly less capacity than so be it. Full size pick ups have become stupid huge. Toyota should be going in the other direction not following/competing with the big three.

 

There's a reason I'm looking at buying a 5.7 tundra over the new 2023.

Think about this, but with taco's

 

You realize the dual power-trains are leveraged for torque not fuel efficiency. Toyota is just responding to the market’s incessant demand for more power. It’s like nobody is happy no matter what they do. You can’t have unlimited power and reliability and and and and — there’s some level of trade off

 

Right, but that’s pretty dumb. Who needs unlimited power? People talk about needing tons of horsepower and torque, crazy 0-60 times, when secretly they just want better gas mileage in a vehicle that looks good. These are the same people who claim that they won’t buy an EV until they have 500 miles of range and can be charged in 20 minutes when they’re driving less than 200 miles a week driving to work and running errands…

 

I agree but the market is incessant about power - half the complaints about the third gen are the lack of torque

 

Another thing to think about is the looks. If you like the look of the 3rd gen then get it. If you want to sell it later on you’ll get good resale value. We don’t know what the 4th gen will look like but if it looks like the Tundra no thanks. Maybe you like the look of the Tundra. I don’t care about a manufacturers reputation…if the vehicle looks terrible I can’t mess with it. The tundra is awful looking and if the Tacoma is styled like that then I’ll never buy a 4th gen.

 

Yeah. There are good elements of the tundra but some things are taken too far — grill hangs down too low, rear tail lights are weird, but otherwise looks good. Hope the fourth Gen takes the good but not the bad.

The tundra desert chase shows you what it could look like if it the good aspects were highlighted more and the profile were adjusted to be more off-road geared and less half-ton towing machine geared

 

The tundra has been ugly since day 1. Current Gen is the best looking so far. Most of Toyotas styling direction has been improved. But of course that’s subjective.

for ex I think the sequoia, Camry, Corolla are all the best looking now compared to prior gens

 

New sequoia looks great but it shares styling with the tundra but it’s toned down — this is exactly what I’m saying and what I’m hoping they do with Gen 4

 

For me it’s the grill. I just can’t stand it but I don’t like big grills on vehicles. But that is a better looking version for sure.

 

ohhh, it's gonna be good! Another section of folks looking to convert cup holders in to cook-tops and telling everyone their $50k truck has a squeak or a paint flaw no one else can see.

 

I have a feeling that the problems my 2016 has will be dwarfed by the problems that this 2024 will have. Especially if they are all made in Mexico. It'll be a clusterfuck of Chrysler proportions.