Is The 2015 Chevy Colorado In Danger Of Becoming A Failed Experiment?

So what you saying is because your own agenda we should spent more on fuel.
I totally dont care about Toyota, what I care is getting biggest bang for my buck, and diesel is a way to go.
Your fear of price jump is unsupported. The fact is price difference between Diesel and Gasoline is pretty much taxes.
Out of each barrel of Oil you can produce 12 gallons of diesel and 19 gallons of gasoline. But process to produce diesel takes much less energy. (costs way less)
Also BioDiesel is now an option to be added to the mix. People can not refine Gasoline in their garages but you can run Diesel on anything from cooking oil to Algea oil, which makes states fear they will lose control of Tax revenue.
And that is a true reason why we dont get diesels. That and the fact people dont know math so they dont push their representative for something better.

 

My agenda is YOUR agenda too; keeping prices low or moderate for diesel used for long haul. Again, the difference between the price of 87 gasoline and diesel is .90, not just a few cents as you contend with premium around here. If your area is much less, that again pojnts out the volatility of pricing! Taxes or no, from one state to another. http://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/diesel-fuel-vs-unleaded-gasoline-understand-the-pros-and-cons

That the price difference again is as much in taxes supports my contention that we do support gasoline use for private vehicle ownership over diesel. I want to see several things from you...an estimate of the mark up for a diesel powered truck from Toyota, the actual savings when the price difference is .90 which it is in many places over 87 octane the norm of most cars, and the actual incentive for Toyota to do it. The market isn't there. Toyota makes investments long term, not based upon the whims of those of a few of it's customers. Your math may be correct but it is based on a very small sample and local sample with all due respect, lacks validity. Europe has less stringent polution standards...we can't be compared to them.

 

Yeah, I don't think the payback (if any) would be worth it financially, since fuel prices vary wildly. I have always ran 91 in all my vehicles, diesel here at least is real close in price.

I tend to keep vehicles for about 10-15 years...so in my case. might come out a little ahead with the diesel...but most likely will be a wash with the total cost of ownership at the end of 10-15 years.

The out of warranty repair cost of diesel injectors, fuel pumps, def system...would most likely blow any cost savings over the gasser out of the water.

 

All I know is that the cost of filling up my riding mower this spring is a lot less than this time last year and that is nice.

 

First of all I took prices from Gas buddy, if you feel your place has very different pricing give us zip code and we can take pricing from there.

Here are the prices from Boston, MA area
Regular $2.38
Premium $2.69
Diesel $2.69

Augusta, ME
Regular $2.31
Premium $2.59
Diesel $2.92

To validate it just go to GasBuddy.com and search locations.

So where in hell in New England you have .90 difference ?
Now 87 is not fair comparison because you not going to run 87 in high efficient gasoline engine. Its goign to ping, and its not going to last.
Hey how about we compare $0 per gallon used vegetable oil from McDonald to any price you have on your 87
Because in Diesel all you need to filter used cooking oil to drive it.
Since when density of fluid is "small sample"
its physics and its simple math Get over it. Sometimes its better to admit to be wrong.
People who rant against Diesel dotn know what they talking about. Thats the truth and again Math skills on average are better in Europe hence large support of Diesel, so is support of Propane and CNG vehicles.

 

why are we arguing about a diesel... smile GM sucks....

 

Love how this has derailed into a diesel arguement again lol.

BlueT, just settle down and buy a Colorado or start your own auto company. I mean if diesel is so obviously the way to go you should make billions right .

I, for one, am not convinced of a Diesel in the Tacoma or any other small truck. If someone can bring a small truck unit to the market that is reasonably priced, unlike the Audi's everyone keeps mentioning in there argument, and gets high mpg you know everyone will look at it seriously no matter what fuel it needs so why argue about it.

Reliability of the engine after emissions equipment is a big issue to. That being said the newest generation diesel are also extremely unreliable at higher mileages for various reasons, but mostly because Diesel emissions regulations require the engine oil to act as a particle catch and the fuel is pressurized to extremely high pressures for injection. Millions of diesel soot particles in my oil, no thank you. They've tried to offset this with even larger filters and oil reservoirs, which leads to even higher oil change bills. Ever paid for an oil change on a new Cummins? It's 3x what it costs to change the oil on a gas job, not to mention the other annoying emissions crap on the new engines.

If it is the best fuel, and I don't think it is based on my personal experience, then eventually it will see a larger use pattern. Right now most of the heavy duty diesels get somewhere between 15-20 mpg depending on how they are driven. That's nothing fantastic and trucks have to push a lot of air, so I don't expect the fuel economy numbers on the Diesel Colorado to be all that high, maybe somewhere in that 20-25 mpg range.

You don't have to get pissy all the time about this and start an arguement all the time. Yes, per liter diesel is more efficient but if you really know what you're talking about you'd know that there is a lot more to engine efficiency than thermal efficiency and energy per gallon. You have to be able to harness that explosive energy efficiently and with emissions equipment on diesels their overall output per gallon is dropping.

Right now Diesels just aren't where you think they are. 20 years ago it could of been a different story.

 

I am thinking VW Jetta...when I think small diesels. Their cars have reasonable prices. that and the Ram EcoDiesel...surprised to see the work truck model priced around $30K on dealr lots here. "basic" V6 Taco is around $28-30K...so not too much different cost wise. Might give up a little fluff with the Ram at that price point, tho'.


Mileagewise...I just look a fuelly can compare what the HiLuxes are getting. Some in the high 20's. Have a bud with the EcoDiesel he is getter 32 HWY (2WD) 4WD's are getting high 20's.

Yeah, big unknown with reliability. Toyota diesel says 500,000 mile rebuild intervals. with 10,000 miles between oil changes. How true that is...no idea.

http://dieseltoys.com/tacoma-diesel-conversions

Not completely sold on diesels...but they do peak my interest.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a4567/4330313/

David

 

My Taco only sees 87. My wife's Venza only sees 87 and together they average exactly what the EPA estimates are. They don't ping, they are relativly efficient but the price of premium doesn't make the difference with it. Yes, it is more fair to compare with 87 whic MOST cars and trucks use !

Now, you are right, the price difference is not .90, it is .51. But it was .90 and will be again you can be sure. The .90 is the maximum difference I have seen around here because the maximum difference is what makes the real cost of owning one significantly worse then your x cents which is only on preminuman. You will see .90 differences here and here when winter heating oil and diesel prices are wellover $3.00 a gallon.

Support in Europe has nothing to do with math skills, it has to do with availability of diesel cars with a cost differential between they and gas not as significant as it is here and fuel costs close due to taxation. And the are supporting other forms as a REPLACEMENT for diesel. You may not believe the Toyota execs, but that is the biggest reason they will not have a diesel in the Taco at this time. The volatile price of diesel and the cost of putting one in means the pay pack in a Taco is not worth it. Diesel is DIRTY and is more difficult and costly to make clean.

Bio fuel is only effective with high t urn over. Even in bus use, many need regual diesel to finish off a run before the busses are stored for any length of time. Do you actually think bio diesel is a worth while fuel for the average Tacoma driver ? You need to check you physics on that one. I am not against diesels. I am against me buying them for inappropriate uses...like small trucks. When the cost so high. Give an estimate to what you think a Tacoma diesel might cost .
http://www.torquenews.com/1083/toyota-explains-why-there-no-2016-diesel-tacoma-coming

 

Bingo. Hate the tacoma, buy something else. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

 

Diesel yo.

 

Why are we all still here discussing, debating and whateveren ?this is old.

 

I'll stick with my bullet proof 4.0 gas for now.

 

Out of diesel arguments, has any one think that Chevy transmission is a CVT? Personally I don't think a truck with a belt transmission is an option .!

This is wrong information, sorry for the error!

 

No CVT. CVT can handle massive loads if built to that purpose. Most new agricultural equipment comes with CVT and it works great.

Chevy will use a new 8 speed at some point. The whole industry is moving towards 8 speeds. Not like they provide the biggest jump in efficiency but it is easy to sell to american consumers a larger number.

 

Where the heck is this info coming from? Last time I checked the Chevy website (like 20 seconds before writing this) it had a 6speed auto; not a CVT.

Are you talking about the diesel model that still hasn't been officially released, spec'd, or even priced yet?

 

I agree 100% but I also think it's proper not to spread miss-information; which is why I asked for clarification. I'm not able to find anything on the topic via google.

 

What do taxes have to do with it? I doubt they are going down. The only thing that matters is the price diff between diesel and regular gas. With prices in Texas it takes a very long time for the diesel to pay back. Only way I would buy one is if I needed for towing. Even then with all the problems they are having with the new ones I probably would not.