Is the Tacoma union made?

Immigrants should move ? Thats how the whole country was built and populated , same as ours

 

The money got diverted to social studies...diversity education...foreign heritage awareness...
Many college students can't name one of the founding fathers. Couldn't explaign even one of the bill of rights, or their significance.
And I'm not joking.

 

I understand the reason for immigration. I also understand the reason not for immigration.
There is a time for it. And a time not for it.
Currently we have chaos.

Consider this:
http://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE

 

Immigration into Canada or the US isn't about helping avoid poverty in the rest of the world, it's necessary for us to maintain our population! Currently we need to average 2.5 kids per couple just to maintain our population (due to those that can't have kids for whatever reason). We don't reproduce at that rate. Look at the comments in this thread about "people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them!"

There is no way for our population to grow, which is what is necessary to maintain a proper work force. If we didn't allow immigration there would be a severe lack of workers, which would lead to massive cost of living increases! And eventually an economy crash, because despite the fact that people would be making more money costs would be astronomical.

We live in a capitalistic first world, we need immigration or our countries would be in dire straights.

There isn't chaos, it's essentially what's been happening in North America for decades. It just started through European immigration now it's shifted to other areas of the world. My family is Italian and when they first moved here they took labour jobs because that's what was available, they worked hard so their children could get an education and decide what career they wanted. It's a cycle, now most of my family has an education and white collar jobs. However we are now employing new immigrants from all over the world and second and third generation Canadians who are getting into the workforce.

Immigration is totally necessary, always has been and always will. Not to reduce poverty in the rest of the world but to maintain our population and workforce!

 

I'm just going to throw out there that I have a Diploma, B Sc, P Ag, and CCA yet I still get my hands dirty all the time. A lot of us aren't over educated. We just chose the right balance of education partnered with job demand and growth to ensure that we had a decent shot at a successful future. The problem with the "system" right now isn't that we are over educating. It's that we've taught that you can be anything. Which isn't true. It isn't even close to true. You have to pick your battles you can win in life and that goes for a career too. There are far too many Arts majors with Ph D's working dead end jobs complaining that they don't make the same as someone with a college Diploma that chose a field that is in demand. Our system of over legislated morality is to blame for that. We all can't paint pretty pictures or want to be gym teachers or there will be nothing left to eat, drink, live in, etc.

The bottom line is that we have to start teaching that it's okay to do anything, like pick up trash for a living, but it's not okay to demand to do what you want like a child and expect it to be handed to you like the world is some budding Utopia.

 

I couldn't agree more. I hate that our society puts a bad stigma on not having a college degree and on being blue collar. Blue collar workers are the ones who actually do stuff, they don't push paper around. I have a buddy from college who dropped out, just wasn't for him. He makes a great living in construction now. Nothing wrong with it at all.

 

Just gotta pick the right career...blue collar with no degree and I think I do okay.

 

It goes both ways. Whether you have a degree or not you have to pick your training and career carefully to optimize you chances of success. BTW you can be educated and be blue collar. I am/was. I'm just in the middle of switching jobs right now lol.

 

The big factor here though is kids who aren't good in school and should go straight to blue collar or a training program for it. Their parents tell them they can do anything though so they go rack up a couple years of student debt to drop out or get a crap degree.

 

True. This is where the trades should be emphasized. The only problem around here with the trades is though that it seems like finding an apprenticeship can be difficult depending on who you know.

 

People who go to college have a better chance of of getting more money over their lifetime than those who don't. People who get advanced degrees don't get things handed to them. They worked for it.

 

I can't believe this thread is still going

 

Yup and it has nothing to do with whether or not the Tacoma is union made. Could have been a two post thread.

 

What? A TW thread that went off-topic? No damn way.

 

I'm not saying those with degrees get stuff handed to them in general and I agree there's a chance of getting more money with certain degrees but, I also think it's more complex.

We sure can't (but I bet we do) lump a person who doesn't pocess the ability to obtain a degree in the mix. So on top of those who opt out of college, willingly, there are certainly those who are not capable (at least to some extent). I would be the is data is somewhat skewed. I know, as a capable person without a degree, I'd have a hard time justifying the expense (and time) of college in my current situation.

 

Raise your hand if someone in this thread has changed your mind on, well, anything? LOL

 

Haven't changed my mind because there wasn't much to change....there I said it.

I mean, I'm neither pro nor con but (and not being union), thankful for the benefits I've recieved from unions.

I have learned a thing or two about "right-to-work" rules/laws. I've also learned a lot of people have opinions on the topic even without much exposure.

 

I'm not opposed to the original ideals of unions, but I have noticed that it's not so much what you know as it is who you know.

That being said: it seems that for every one union guy that's not a lazy, bigoted putz, there are ten that are picketing, whining, pulling all kinds of stuff that should get anybody immediately terminated, yet still have their jobs because of some slimy union rep greasing somebody's palms in management and/or OSHA.

Modern union politics is at least 70% of the reason American society is already mirroring the movie Idiocracy in more ways than one.

Sorry. Not sorry.

That is actually my primary reason among at least 15 for buying Toyotas or old s-box Hondas.

 

So are you saying...

~120,000,000 full time workers + ~25,000,000 part time workers in the US of which ~11% are union = ~ 15,000,000 people? And those 15,000,000 are 70% responsible for driving the behaviour of ~320,000,000?

 

Well, yeah.

You have to remember - most family units tend to vote alike, so one union rat could influence his spouse and their 2.5 entitled brats to also vote in like. It's human nature to side with the larger/more familiar side.

Seeing as the only reason that Obama was elected to a second term was because his Republican opponent was planning on breaking up the unions and making RTW the norm.

Now, I live in a very red area of Illinois, and it seemed to side almost alarmingly blue last election because of that one fact. You can't even blame it on the African American population that suddenly registered and turned out in droves like in 2008 seeing as about 3/4 of those voters did not vote one way or another in the 2012 election.

So, the fact that the Democratic Party pretty much shlonged the economy, broke almost all of their promises, and have turned this once great nation into a bunch of blithering, politically correct lady parts had nothing to do with any logical decision making on any pertinent issues. All the greedy masses were more worried about their 'right' to be lazy, minimally educated, self-serving unproductive animals with more perks and kickbacks than Nixon himself.

I (unfortunately) know many of these union scummers, and vividly recall my Facebook feed erupting in 2008 with venomous, racist and quite possibly psychotic tirades when the election was called... These same fickle dolts couldn't bring themselves to actually put an Obama sign in their yards. Instead we got 'proud union home' signs, which meant nothing more than 'I'm a lazy racist prick, but the white guy wants to take my ability to show up to work halfway in the bag, blow a .08, get sent home for 3 days just to have my union rep get me those 3 days of pay and no repercussions because I was "under the legal limit" so I got free paid time off not once, but three times'

So yeah. In my mind they're almost as stupid as these jackwagons in Mexican built Dodges and Canadian built Chevys with 'Out of a job, keep buying foreign' plastered on the tailgate.

When I called a 'friend' on giving me that tired rhetoric and told him that his Ram was built in Toluca, Mexico and my Tacoma was built in San Antonio, TX. He started on some sort of racist tirade because 'he was right'

You may know I'm wrong, but I know you're wrong as well.

We could argue well into the night, but I digress. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Besides, unless we have some sort or miracle and neither Trump or Clinton get elected, you bet your sweet bippy I'm expatriating.