Issues with brand new 2017 Tacoma 2.7L 4x4 AC 5SPD * VIDEO

I don't see not fixing it or selling it as a viable option. That bearing is only going to get worse and when it fails the repair will be an order of magnitude more expensive. And as for selling it, that just opens up a giant box of issues, not the least of which is karma...

 

Completely agree, I would have it fixed and request warranty.

 

Interesting. Nothing unique or special about a third gen that would make it materially different to replace a trans input bearing on a four cylinder compared to a second gen (or first gen). Would not bother me much if it happened (although a month is insane).

 

The 2.7 has vibrations. It's a big 4cyl and hard to balance. My 3rz will shake you out of truck at an idle in gear, and reverse is worse. From my research, it's considered normal.

Nothing I see is abnormal. I had a 98 Frontier with a 5speed and the shifter moved under torque like that. Heck, my 99 Tacoma with an automatic will move back a tad under torque. The transfer case shifter moves with torque and shifts too. Nothing I see worries me, but it's your truck OP. Talk to the dealer and get it documented.

Edit-i skipped to the end and did not read the bad bearing.

 

After watching I was curious how much my shifter moved while driving so I hit record on my phone and stuck it in the console, it really did not move much at all, just a little vibrating left and right.

 

Dealer called. The truck should be ready today. They said they are replacing the throw-out bearing, pressure plate and input shaft bearing and "a bunch of other bearings". I will report back.

 

Got the tuck back with 176 miles. They test drove it for about ~10 miles. Long story short, truck drives worse now then before. Long story read on...

Bought the truck on 03/21/17. Left my truck at the dealer on Tuesday 03/24/17 with 167 miles. Got the truck back yesterday 03/31/17 with 178 miles.

First problem, the car no longer had the new car smell. It smelled like gear oil. Knowing that the dealer has replaced the transmission fluid I thought maybe it was somewhere spilled under the truck. It was raining really hard when I picked it up and there was water spots all over the interior. I thought rain. Next day I wake up and check it out closer, it is gear oil. Stained my passenger seat. Gear oil finger prints all over the vents and gear shiftier area.

Second problem, really hard to get into first gear. I thought nothing of it as they replaced the whole clutch assembly. Might have to put on a few miles for it to break in. The original clutch issue was fixed at that point. I didn't hear the rattle. I get on the highway and the gears are extremely notchy. When the car warmed up it got a little better. Second and fourth gear were very hard to shift into. Drove the truck home and parked it. Next day. Could not get the truck into first gear on a cold start. I literarly was sitting at the bottom of my drive way with the bed sticking out on the street for a good minute trying to get it into first. Have to press very hard on the shifter. Second gear border line grinds and third is extremely notchy. Fast forward a couple hours and I could not get the shifter into fourth gear twice in one drive. Sounds like a classic clutch bleeding problem but at this point I am fuming knowing that they had to open up the transmission to change all the bearings.

Third problem, after putting on about 40 miles from pick up the rattle is back. Not as bad before but it is getting louder.

So as far as I am concerned I received the truck in worse condition than when I dropped it off. I am going to call Toyota and I am driving to the dealer first thing Monday morning.

I am getting my money back or this will have to go to court. I hope they either replace the truck with a new one or give me my money back at this point. I drove the truck for a total of 3 days with issues. Toyota had it for over a week so far and made it worse. I wish this was an April fools joke but it is not. I am also going to make another video for documentation purposes tomorrow.

 

Damn that sucks to hear, hope everything works out.

 

I bought a 2006 MT 2.7 l with 50,000 miles and my input shaft bearing noise was 2 times as loud as yours, but you had to listen for it. I drove 3 other MT Toyota's that friends of mine had and they all did the same thing so I didn't worry about it. I sold the truck at 160K and had zero issues with it (110,000 miles), still was noisy. The stick moving is 10000000000% normal on top load transmissions, the stick is actually directly moving gears in the transmission, when torque is applied and released you will see movement.

The only way someone would really know the input shaft bearing was really bad would be to pull the transmission, and in your first video you couldn't even hear it under your truck, your words, and inside the truck it was barley audible. I had an input shaft bearing gradually fail on a old Nissan pickup and it was noisy as hell before it finally died. Your noise in the first video sounds like normal mechanical engagement.

My take is there was nothing wrong with your truck (as others noted based on the first video), and the dealer took the opportunity to do some warranty work an then screwed up the transmission and made a mess of the truck.

I will say Toyotas hydraulic clutches are screwy and take a while to get used to.

Keep in mind the Dealer did this to your truck, so Toyota is not going to give you a new truck. In fact Toyota may even say there was nothing wrong with the transmission and the dealer screwed you. So you have to go after them. What is suspicious about the repair, is usually a Toyota engineer has to come down and inspect the truck to authorize a major tear down and this takes a few weeks sometimes before they get the go ahead to do it. I know they had the truck for a month, but did they just say, oh yea needs a new bearing and we will order it?

Also you don't qualify for the lemon law yet, and on top of that all that paper work you sign there is a legal document embedded call the arbitration agreement which essentially makes it very difficult to go to court.

I would contact Toyota Corp, tell them what happened.

 

The problem is I don't have to "listen for it". I hear it with my windows up or down. Even if it was normal the dealership should have said that it is normal and drive it as is. They specifically said even in the paper work that it was tested against a known good truck which didn't have the noise. They went ahead and replaced every bearing they thought was the problem. In the process they made the whole truck smell like gear oil outside and inside. Worse yet, they made my transmission shift worse especially when cold.

 

I asked for it and they gave me a 8yr / 125k extended warranty. But then again they can't fix the rear end clunk and dash rattle. Their response consistently is " there's nothing wrong with your truck, computer says it's operating within normal specs. Maybe it's just a characteristic of the truck"

 

Check your lemon law rules in your state.

It sounds like you are going to need to use it. You might as well figure out what needs documenting.

 

I am going to speak with them tomorrow at the dealership. Hopefully we can skip the BS and move on either with a replacement or money back. I will be happy with either.

 

Wow, sorry to hear you had such a terrible dealer experience!

The gear oil is absolutely inexcusable, no tech should ever do that. If you're dirty you need to wash or get another tech to move the car. Hell, when I was a tire monkey I would wash my hands before pulling customer cars out, and that was mostly brake dust that would wipe away easily.

You are correct, it sounds like the clutch wasn't bled quite well enough, does the car want to creep if you have it in gear?

Best of luck getting it sorted... I know it's gonna be tough but do your best to keep your cool.



//and for what it's worth my 2.7L with AT gives you a good jiggling sometimes at idle. It's just a big jiggly engine, 2.7L is really large for a 4 banger, even with balance shafts.
Girls love riding in in though!

 

Sorry to says this, but if you had checked out TW before your purchase on 3/21/17, you would have known to avoid purchasing a 3rd gen Tacoma.

My condolences.

 

Yes because we know at TW, every 3rd gen is a POS. Get over yourself.

 

His issue is with an item that predates the 3rd gen. My second gen (and yours) has that same exact transmission that he is having issues with.

 

I was told by the service manager that this transmission in 2017 is a revision of the original. Not sure if this is true or not.

 

The 2016+ uses a R156F transmission. The 2nd gen uses a R155F. They are largely the same, but the R156F has additional synchro's and different gear ratio's

I believe the parts that were potentially giving you trouble should be the same as previous generation Tacoma's

"R156F Manual Transmission:
-The 5-speed manual transmission has been switched from R155 and R155F to R156F.
-The gear ratios have been changed for improved fuel economy.
-A new gear ratio has been adopted for the 5th gear for improved fuel economy when cruising at a high speed.
-A triple cone synchronizing mechanism has been adopted for the 1st gear for reducing shifting effort.
-A carbon synchronizing mechanism has been adopted for the 2nd gear for improved durability. A wide gear range has also been adopted."

http://www.toyotareference.com/guts/tacoma16_new.pdf

Sorry you are having problems OP. Sounds like the dealer shouldnt have been tampering with anything.

 

I only watched to 2:08 because I don't really care, but boredom and necessity to poop motivated me to give you that much time.

Everything I saw up to that point was normal except for your inability to drive this manual transmission truck.

Go put 5,000 miles on it and you'll figure out how to shift it, and what's normal and what's not.

Edit, I read the rest of the thread after replying to the first post and see there is supposed to have been a problem with the truck and it was warrantied... from the video alone I doubt there was actually a problem...but now there is. Better is often the enemy of good enough. Sucks.