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KBB 2016 Tacoma VS 2016 Colorado [Video]

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by James_Bond, Apr 7, 2016.

  1. Apr 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM
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    I feel bad for you. It's going to get worse. That's what happens when you say this bill needs to be passed so we can find out what's in it
     
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    Yup, us Canadians and the rest of the western free world just shake their head when they look at the US medical system. While what we have up here is far from perfect, I find it how many people down there have drunk the corporate kool aid and actively think and vote/support parties that work against their best interest.
     
  3. Apr 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM
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    I couldn't agree more.

    Heres the catch.
    My parents came here illegally but they worked their ass off to make a living. Not once did they ask for government assistance. This proves that there are some people who really do come to this country to make a difference. This was 40 years ago.

    Today, there's so many illegals that come in and just ask for government assistance and have the government pay for their childrens food with food stamps. While they buy big ford's and Chevys that they can barely make their car payment on a 7 year loan.

    Here's the kicker. It's not just illegals but lazy Americans who do the same thing. Many Americans work for a year and spend another collecting unemployment checks. It's fukcn stupid.


     
  4. Apr 8, 2016 at 1:13 PM
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    you hit the nail on the head. Now I'm going to give my age away. Your parents came here and worked hard to make something of them selves. My parents came to America in1928 with a suitcase and some cash. Nobody gave them anything, and they made a good life for themselves. Today too many people want everything handed to them.
     
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    Well now that I've got my blood pressure up, I'm going to step off my soap box. It was really great chatting with you all, we didn't solve any problems but we had some good conversation.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is the welfare system has become a low wage subsidy rather than a failsafe. This has damaged wage negotiations and the market that utilizes this type of labor. Because of welfare you are spending tax money effectively subsidizing the low skill positions and keeping wages artificially low. We wouldn't be talking about $15 an hour minimum wage if welfare didn't exist in this capacity, wages would realistically reflect the standard of living. However because of welfare, people can accept a $7 dollar an hour job and still afford to live because the government makes up the rest. Not to mention there's a huge problem with people getting something for "free" and not seeing an intrinsic value to it. This goes for both young and old. I can't count how many people I transport via ambulance to the hospital for poor reasons because they view emergency services as "Free". Or line up behind in the store with a shopping cart full of steaks and brand name processed foods while whipping out an EBT card. They don't see value in what they have so they don't treat it like it has any. Verses if they work for a living wage, they might see that steak having an hour of their life invested as labor or opt for off brand products because it saves them $10 on their order. Just like I do.
     
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    People are always are quick to point fingers about "what's wrong with America", but the fact is that the U.S. has one of the highest ratios of quality of life to tax burden. Click this link and sort by tax as % of GDP:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

    The U.S. taxation rate is 26.9% of GDP. Denmark is the highest 49%. The countries with the lowest rates are either oil-rich Emirates or anarchist hellholes. The only countries I saw with a rate substantially below the U.S.' that I would actually want to live in are a few Central American countries that happen to have tourism-centric economies (Costa Rica, Panama).

    For that relatively low taxation rate we have the most powerful military in the world, virtually no one goes hungry, no one is denied medical care, we get Social Security and Medicare when we're old, unemployment benefits if we find ourselves without work, etc. Sure, if you hiked our taxes to 49% like Denmark we could have a proper health care system, free college, etc, but for the cost difference most people could afford 4 years of in-state public university tuition and great health insurance anyway.

    So although it may be fun to blame American's woes on "corporations/Wall St. stealing all my tax dollars" or "immigrants/poor people stealing all my tax dollar", the fact is that we arguably get more bang for the buck for our tax dollars than the vast majority of nations. There are plenty of nations with no corporate or social welfare (and no regulations on firearms, woohoo!), but none of us actually want to live in Somalia.
     
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    Umm I wouldn't say people are abandoning their 2016's.:notsure:
     
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    Not going to disagree with our standard of living vs. tax rate but, without debt (or at least much lower), I have to wonder where we would fall.
     
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    Maybe by the terms of the deal, but the taxpayers still came up short by a "few billion"....
     
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    CORRECT....
     
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    And now they're building Buicks in China & trying to sell them back to us. Wtf??:confused:
     
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    I drove a Colorado the day before I bought my 3rd Gen, I knew very quickly after driving the 3rd Gen that there was no way that I would be going back to the Chevy dealership to even take a second look at the Colorado.
     
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    I'm pretty sure George Bush started the bailout process with a temporary fix because it was near the end of his term. Passing along the permanent solution to who ever got elected in 2008.
     
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    Interest on debt is only 5% of our federal budget; if that were zero, our ranking only moves a few spots. The U.S. economy and Dollar are the envy of the world; everyone flocks to U.S. Treasury bonds when things go south. Treasury yields are paltry; basically the world loans us big bucks and we pay them peanuts in interest.

    Debt isn't bad; expensive debt is bad. And unlike a household, the U.S. can always print more money. Inflation hasn't been an issue since the 80s.

    So just like big banks and immigrants, the national debt isn't the bogeyman the bloviating pundits and politicians make it out to be.
     
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    I've looked but, been unable to find the actual effective tax rate. I wish I only paid ~25%, I'd even settle for 35% but, the reality is I don't. I'm just a single blue collar working stiff and my income tax alone it higher than the average you noted. By the time I put in sales tax, property tax and a seemingly endless list of other taxes I must pay...I don't ~50%. My beef with the system is not everyone has "skin in the game"...it's lopsided. Why do some pay 30% and others pay 0%? It's bullshit. I work with a cat who out earns me but, because he has dependents, pays thousands less than I do... Does a single guy use the system more than a married guy with a family?
     
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    I believe my 2012 4runner has a switch to disable this feature when wheeling in similar circumstances. Never tested it or used it either, but I'm surprised that the Tacoma wouldn't have something similar. Apparently when tipped at somewhat extreme angles it can deploy. A roll over safety feature I believe. Maybe the Colorado's was a bit to touchy.
     
  19. Apr 9, 2016 at 9:13 AM
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    Gen 2's had the RCSA disable. There is not one in the Gen 3's I am guessing they figured out a way to let the computer decide what is actually going on.
     
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    Don`t look now but Bush hasn't been President now for over 7 years, once again the old it`s all Bush`s fault :facepalm:....:rolleyes:
     

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