Keep getting flats on stock tires

Haha, the difference between a thick skin and regular skin is not much. But makes a difference. Like when you have callus .
That little protection might be just enough!

We buy tires for the extra protection. Even if it is just a little thicker. Cost a lot more too !

if the difference was not there, why buy the thicker tire? And pay more?

Note: My daughter has a Physics degree. She knows the difference between the Tacoma factory M/S tires vs the aftermarket ones. like the BFGs.

When i make a sandwich I prefer the thinner slice bread, not the load range E kind.

 

13 pounds is not a lot? Lol. That’s over 25% for a 50 pound tire. That proves my point.

 

So where does physics come into the point you're trying to make?

I think the misunderstanding is that 4/6/8/10 ply in today's world means something different than it did at a previous time. Its all 4/6/8/10 ply "rated", not necessarily 4/6/8/or 10 actual plys. You're not wrong though, 13 lbs of added material in the form of "different construction" or "different material" obviously equates to added thickness at some point, whether that's accurately measurable and repeatable across all brands/plys or not.

Side note, here's a little video that should answer some of your questions regarding AT3's/St Maxx and airing down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kz8mmLkeks

 

It's important to understand it's a ply rating based on max weight rating. An E radial doesn't actually have 10 layers anymore. They may have one or two more layers, but are usually just built differently to handle more weight. Usually a thicker and stronger sidewall, but the difference can be very little from C to E on actual thickness. While there are some tires with a huge gain in weight, Toyo and some other brands have very little weight difference from C to E. Many of Toyo's Es weigh 3 or less lbs more than the same size C.

I prefer E tires for offroad as I like that small amount of increased thickness or build when I am exposing my tires to things on a long term basis. You can still slice the sidewall of an E, but it does offer a small amount of increased protection.

The key to E tires is not running them at too high PSI like some do. PSI is related to weight, and the PSI of your tires should match the correct weight rating for your vehicle, regardless of size and rating.

 

We buy aftermarket tires for the protection and traction it provides. As far as for weight, to be expected.

Getting too many flats? Avoid the area? Or buy better tires? Still better to clear the pathways besides a bull dozer? A grader, back hoe?
The flat-less tires are being developed. We may see them in the near future?

Those tank tracks ? Bolted to each tire?

 

Slime?

 

yup, I get all that. Very hard to know in a modern tire how much more an E will get you in terms of protection. I want the cooper AT3 LT in 265/75/16 and the C vs E is 47 vs 50 pounds. It’s not much but it’s already a lot more rotational mass than the stock 37 pounds. Discount Tires is telling me that puncture resilience will not be much more on the E in this case. The Toyos are only 48 pounds in E rating so that’s also an option.

 

There are two different versions of the Goodyear 265/70/16/112. The 'OEM' version as equipped on Tacomas is 37 lbs and made in Canada. The other is 42 lbs and made in the U.S.

 

That’s interesting. I assume this is pretty much a “get the mpg numbers up” tire. Pretty crappy tire if you do almost anything off-road.

 

I just noticed in your pic, you have Goodyear Territory AT. I didn't know Toyota had switched from Goodyear Adventure Kevlars. My info is dated.

The Territory AT is billed as an 'OEM'. I suspect it weighs what it weighs, as you said, to "get the mpg numbers up".

 

Bullet proof tires design to run flat.
Michelin, Goodyear some.

 

If you are comparing the same tire model, yes, but not all e-rated tires are equal in regards to puncture resistance. My current e rated Firestone Destination XT's have far fewer actual plies than the BFG KO's they replaced. The KO's had 5 tread plies and 3 sidewall plies, which would explain why they are almost 20lbs per tire heavier.

 

right. Def not apples to apples

 

yeah .. maybe they changed the name? But these also have Kevlar .. which appear to be worthless

 

Firestone Destination tires? I did not have a good experience with these. I seem to get more flats.
If they made it a bit more aggressive tire? Maybe a future tire to consider.

Years ago, when I work for a magazine distributor, I would read all the off road magazines. I would look at the type of tires those off roaders are buying.

The one tire that stood out was the BFGs A/T and Mud. Those off roaders know what they like then and now!

 

There are lots of models of Destinations, LE is a p rated highway tire, XT is hybrid mud/ all terrain LT tire with a pretty aggressive tread. There are tame General Grabbers and not so tame...depends on the suffix.
Destination LE vs. XT, and XT installed.

 

Its the other way around for me. my stock tires were great for 15k miles, then I switched them out for BFGoodrich KO2s and immediately had 4 punctures in less than 5k miles

 

There was a new highway open , in the first year my commercial truck got eight flats, all on the rear dually tires, able to get home. Each time.

 

I still have the stock wranglers for summer. Doesnt matter the tire or ply etc, some of these shallow roots from the big cedars could go through a tank track! especially with right angle. I've only got 13 acres but have spent hours walking my trails to remove these. Never had a rock puncture.

 

might be mesquite thorns