Ketogenic Diet

You may find that the food change alone will help with the arthritis. Many of the carb-heavy foods are also inflammatory. I know my (early stage) arthritis in my knuckles is all but gone now.

 

what are you talking about? Calorie deficit is not a fad...it’s the only way to lose weight.

Keto is a fad.

Clean eating and not being a typical fat American is a lifestyle choice. As soon as one takes responsibility for that you’ll be well along your way. Diabetes or not..or whatever you have going on. All forms of “diets” are just methods of controlling income of calories. The same reason diets never work is because people spend to much time listening to people here and not enough time figuring out what works for them.

Yes your body has gotten better at burning more calories because the human body does that when you have less fat...??...and more so when you have more muscle. Muscle is metabolically more active. That’s without getting into the topic of the effects of fat as it relates to hormones like estrogen in men.

 

Where’s the dying laughing emoji when you need it

 

‘Splain to me how something that is 100 years old is a ‘fad?’

 

Sometimes I like this one...reminds me of the good ol days of my youth

 

Yeah I didn't want to argue about it but you only lose weight in a calorie deficit. It's actually in my college thermodynamics book, believe it or not .
I really dont think we should derail this thread because people dont truly understand why they do what they do. Essentially doing Keto makes it easy for the avg human to eat less calories. It's much harder to eat high calorie (for the avg person) when they eat Keto.
It forces them into a deficit thats my opinion. I also think it's considered a "fad" because it gained popularity and it's less sustainable than a macro style lifestyle. I can choose to gain or lose weight while eating any carb I want on a macro style eating regime. It took 6 months of weighing every single piece of food though.
I can eye ball any plate of food you give me. That makes it so that I can still eat carbs and have a physique I want. Sustainable. I just wanna make sure this wholesome Keto thread doesnt turn into a fire.

For anyone that is curious and open minded here, look up macro and calorie counting. Its good learning even if you somehow dont believe it.

 

Since I apparently started this fire...I wasn’t referring to calorie deficit as a fad. I stated that for me this is a necessary lifestyle change and not a fad. I had to research what was best for me and as stated I did that with guidance from my doctors who were managing my care. Did not mean to offend...

 

Good keto friendly dinner
Edit; seasoned steak with cheese, sweet peppers and onions and topped with more cheese.

 

oh that makes sense. My bad!

 

meh. No one wants a fad diet.

 

I wish that i understood a little better how the low carb intake works. It does make sense what is said about a calorie deficit is required to burn the fat however that's not how keto works. I guarantee I'm getting plenty of calories. Something about your body and the mode it goes into that burns the fat. Theres plenty to read about it if ones really interested.

 

lol!!!

 

It’s what I’ve been arguing the entire time. Keto is a diet that aims at putting the body in ketosis. Ketosis is obtained by low to no carb and high fats in your nutrients with moderate protein. I’ll let you Google ketosis but essentially, physiological ketosis is a response to low glucose. You get that same low glucose in all the other “diets” as it comes from...a calorie deficit.

On the flip side, as was being discussed, counting macros will give you the better results but not everyone wants to have a marker board with their macros in the kitchen.

 

Can you elaborate more on this?

I was diagnosed with Hashis at 19. I'm very fortunate that I have not had to start any hormone replacement and I hope I can keep it that way as long as possible. I do however notice I'm a lot more insulin resistant and carb sensitive than most people. Supposedly thats a common thing with those of us with Hashis.

 

Weight loss is always going to require a caloric deficit. Period. There is no black magic state your body goes into where the fat starts coming off while you are over eating.
There is however, the thermogenic effect of food, and science has shown being on a ketogenic diet does cause a shift in how your body burns calories. Technically a person who could eat X calories on a standard diet and maintain their weight may in fact be in a caloric deficit on those same X calories on keto.

What happens to a lot with folks who have over eating issues on keto is the fat and protein intake goes up, which is much more satiating than the standard diet riddled with carbs. Also, at least up until recently, there were very little keto food replacements so going keto required that people go to a more whole foods based diet which is healthier and less caloric. So thus weight loss tends to happen even when someone doesn't feel they are depriving themselves.
My prediction is that with the creation of all these processed food companies creating keto products filled with processed garbage, those who consume them are going to see less of a benefit from switching to keto if they regularly consume such products. But I could be wrong.

Keto is counting macros. I count my macros and calories no matter what diet I'm on. So I don't know why this is an argument over counting macros or not. Your diet is totally different from the means at which you measure diet quality.

There is no one diet fits all. We are all different. Some of us have underlying medical conditions, personal preferences, and different lifestyles. So this idea that one diet is better above all and "easier to follow" is nonsense. We are all choose to experiment, research, and choose different diets and find out what best suits us. No one should ever be trying to discourage that.

Dietary restriction is a tool in a tool box. Not sure why anyone would want to discourage someone from having as many tools in their tool box as possible.

Intermittent fasting and carb restriction are my favorite tools, even as a lifter and ultra runner. I maintain a pretty damn lean frame year round with those tools. So, no, not in my experience is just plain macro counting the same.

 

Yes that is common. I was at the other end of the spectrum. Diagnosed with Graves and then about a year into it, was also hit with Graves Eye Disease (TED). Which is a rare autoimmune disorder where the same antibodies attacking the thyroid begin to attack the soft tissue behind the eyes. The medication used for Graves has various risks especially in high doses. My numbers did not respond well and my dosage continued to climb. Surgery was my only option. Unfortunately Thyroid Eye Disease doesn’t go away. It moves from active to inactive phases. Treatment for the eye disease is limited. I was on IV infusions of steroids, which forced my body into a diabetic state. I also take hormone replacements which are all regulated by body weight. So it is critical that I maintain a healthy weight and since I must also manage my A1C it made sense to adopt this lifestyle of low carb eating. I wish you the best. Hopefully you can avoid the need for hormone replacement.

 

I'm not going to start having an argument about science when only one random link is dropped. There is a lot of established research that shows metabolic changes between ketosis and not have different overall metabolic impacts on weight maint. Period. It's not really arguable at this point.

All macro counting means is that you track your macros. You can do that regardless of what type of diet you follow. It is an entirely separate issue.

And not all people need to track everything to have stellar results. I know a lot of folks in the fitness world with impressive physiques and performances and they don't track calories or macros.

You did state one form was better than another by stating that one is going to get better results by doing X. No matter what, that statement will always be false, simply because there is no one size fits all.


Macro counting does not provider better results either physique wise or performance wise.

 

I am 29 and have been primarily hyperthyroid the majority of the time. At some point my thyroid is eventually going to peter out and not work very well anymore. I've noticed the last few years my high numbers are starting to go down so I may be reaching that point faster than I'd like but it's pretty much an inevitability.

I'm assuming you had your thyroid removed?

How do you feel now vs. before hormonally, outside of other symptoms such as the eye issue? If you can even answer that question lol. I've been told by some that no matter what, artificial management of hormones will really never have you feeling "normal". As in hormone treatment to give you XYZ thyroid numbers isn't the same as having those thyroid numbers naturally on your own.

I wish you the best and I'm terribly sorry about the TED.

 

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