King Rears: Dakar vs Non-Dakar?

Looking at picking up a set of used King resi rears 25001-121. I was planning on using them with a dakar leaf pack, but I have come to understand there is a difference for king shocks (amongst others) if you are running dakar springs as opposed to not-dakar springs.

Can anyone explain the difference? I'm not really finding much. Something to do with travel?

 

I noticed Down South Motorsports, and had regular King resi rears, and some listed (dakar). Not sure what the difference is.

 

DSM can provide the rear shocks with the longer collar mounts at the shafts to accomodate the extra lift from the Dakar. 1" longer than the standard ones.

 

I Just installed the heavy Dakars with 3 degree shims. I have OME 60091 shocks and they are limiting droop by
2- 2 1/2 inches. The OME 60091 are 24 Inches fully extended and most other shocks are around 24 to 26 inches fully extended

https://www.headstrongoffroad.com/store/p86/RCD/Bilstein_5100_Extended_Length_Rear_Shock_(PAIR)_-_B110.html
These or the closest to what i need but I don't want 5100's the Icon extended travel are the next closest but there is a chance they will limit droop too

the problem is the factory shock mounts are not far enough apart to allow enough travel
So I looks like I will be doing this in the future
http://bayareametalfab.3dcartstores.com/2nd-Gen-Shock-Relocation-Kit_p_14.html

 

Sorry I am just now seeing this.

On a basic level....
The rear shocks are the limiting factor with the Tacoma. Whether it is stock or aftermarket. So the more extension the shock offers the more droop you will see from the rear end. Now with that said you can droop the suspension out too far and when that is the case you can use limit straps. Some people will still choose to run limit straps with certain configurations so they are not fully extending the shock all of the time. Now shocks can only be built out to provide so much extension and so little of a collapsed length. Which usually means the longer the extension the taller the collapsed. This is why some shock configurations require bump stop modification. This helps because instead of fully collapsing the shock which can cause damage to it you hit the bump stops instead. Another modification could be brake lines. When a shock has a longer extension it allows the rear to droop more and then the brake lines can become taut. In order to prevent pulling a brake line out you run longer brake lines.

With this said, again on a basic level, you can technically run any shock with most any rear lift however it is best to pair the rear shock with the rear lift chosen. This way you aren't limiting the range of movement of the shock by pairing it with something outside of its range or getting something that allows for so much more droop but needs a much larger bump stop modification which makes you loose up travel. Since this is the case it can be best to cycle the suspension chosen and pair a shock accordingly.

 

Can someone please help me know what rear shock to buy to replace my ultimate Boss shocks? 3" Ultimate lift with AAL pack in the back. (Not wanting to pay stupid amount for the boss shocks, and not sure which 5100's to buy).

Thank you

 

If you are looking for Bilsteins and you have a single leaf or 3-leaf progressive add-a-leaf added to your factory leaf pack then these :
https://www.headstrongoffroad.com/s..._-_24-186728_for_2005-2015_Toyota_Tacoma.html

or

These

https://www.headstrongoffroad.com/s...Shock_with_Reservoir_(PAIR)_-_05__Tacoma.html

 

Only thing is....even at normal parked stance....My shocks are at 22". Wouldnt i need extended since regulars are only 22.94 maxed out?

 

Great information Marie!
So Marie what would recommend for an Icon 2.0 rr on all corners on my 2014 4x4 sport LB with a snugtop. Of continual weight. Looking to replace my stock leaf springs that will complement my suspension.
Thanks Marie

 

I got a great deal from a friend on them. If I was buying new, this wouldn't really be an issue. I'd just spec them appropriately.

I think when I get them rebuilt, I'll just get the longer shaft/collar combo.

Doing more research, it seems you can run dakars with non-ext kings and be fine as long as you aren't going for maximum #flexyfriday . Limit straps are a good idea according to some in the know that have chimed in (Marie and DSM). TBH I'm like 75% mallcrawler fuckboi so I'm not really concerned.

 

Just got off the phone with Toytec. The Boss Ultimate rear shocks are 1" longer than the Bilstein 5100 extended....

With that said....will 1" shorter extended length on the rear really make that much difference if i go with 5100 extended?

 

I am not really sure where you are measuring from. So are you saying you measured from the center of the eye all the way up to the underside of the upper shock mount?

Do you have the actual extended and collapsed lengths of the shocks you are currently using? What rear lift are you using?

It can. It depends on how you use the truck. The 5160's would be a great in-between for you. The thing with the extended RCD/Bilstein 5100's is the added extension. They measure 27.28 extended and were initially centered around a 3"-4" block lift.

Again this is where cycling and measuring your particular set up helps. This way you know what works for you both collapsed and extended and can source a shock accordingly.

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Icon doesn't have a 2.0 front shock they only have 2.5. What are you thinking to lift the rear?

 

I have the OME Darkar Spring Pack....with the Toytec Boss Ultimate Lift kit

 

PM Sent

 

Yes my mistake. My current springs are unstable with weight. Little lift ok but more weight capacity and to maximize my suspension.
Thanks Marie

 

No worries. If you want to PM me your overall build we can take it from there.

 

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To cap off this thread, I have a final dakar question. I see the medium 095 springs give just shy of 3" lift empty and the 096 springs give 3"ish loaded to 600 pounds. If below are my rear end numbers, which would you recommend?

I've read on @Wheeler's Off-Road Inc site that at 300 pounds, the 095s will give you stock ride height in the rear. Maybe 096 and pull the 3rd leaf? I plan on going to 2-2.5" lift in the front for reference.