Lift prevent rubbing when stuffed?

Ok first, whenever I say "lift" I am talking about a suspension lift. I know that a body lift is a whole different animal.

Many (most?) people running larger tires (33+) are lifted. And probably 99% of people on 35s are running a lift.

However, I often see people say that if you put larger tires on, say 33s, a lift won't eliminate rubbing if you want to take it off road. You still have to do some trimming because the tire still travels to the same end-point of its range of motion.

So which is it? The argument "you will still rub when stuffed" makes perfect sense to me. But that means if I wanted to run 37s, I should have to trim, cut, and hack the same amount regardless of whether I'm lifted or not.

What am I missing? Educate me!

 

No one smart enough to explain it to this newbie?

 

Even with the suspension lift... it will rub on the back of the wheel well and the cab mount when fully stuffed. Typically the pinch welds also. This applies primarily to 1 to 3 inch lift.... going 4 and 6 or higher then there are other concerns.
You can get adjustable ucas and move the caster to more than 3 to help out a little, but usually still not enough to clear 100 percent of the time.
As your shocks wear and springs sag.... they will rub

 

The reason why not a lot is commenting is that most ignore lift titles due to it being answered in a lot of threads.
33s+ you are going to need to trim if you plan to offroad. If you are going to be a mall crawler, you may get away with 33s, lift and UCA to increase caster or just trim.

 

2nd gens really don't look at this section and definently newbies questions like this are hit or miss if they answer or not.

 

Ya, honestly I was one that skipped this over last night. Finally took a look when he bumped it up and got nothing else to do.

 

Thanks! So you still have to trim if you plan to off road. Then does a lift help at all with fitting bigger tires? Or is it solely for improving approach/breakover/departure angles?

 

If you don't lift it, you will rub by just turning your tire if you go big.
For instance, I installed some weight up the front so it sagged my suspension and my new one hasn't arrived until two days ago. When it sagged, I was pretty much at stock height w/ 33s. Pinch weld and cab mount chop done, but when I do a tight U-turn at a decent speed at intersections; I rub the shit out of my back wheel well/fender.

 

Ok so lift can reduce rubbing but only trimming can eliminate it altogether.

 

You can fit 255 80 16 or 255 75 17 in there and the skinny tires work out better. The 285 gives it the stance most like, but its wide. Almost 11 inches wide, our trucks like 10 inch wide or less.

 

You will still rub when stuffed. Do a CMC, flatten the pinch weld, trim the lower corners of the flares as well as the wheel well liners in front of the pinch weld. Lengthen your bumpstops if needed.

 

JaCado is right^ it also depends on your tire. I forgot to mention, I run 285s. I kinda have to in my region (Louisiana) since it's mud country here. The wider surface area of 285 helps "float" on top of the mud instead of dig in.

 

We could show him 81trekker thread. He stuffed 35's with a 2 inch lift minimal trimming, no rub. I mean most of the front end suspension was redone and relocated, but he did

 

He went out of the norm that’s for sure. He just released his kits in a group buy but I think already sold out of the initial batch?

 

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. If you're gonna trim anyway, it seems like the lift may not even be necessary. Ok for 35s it might!

I'll look up the thread.

 

I don't think that is what he wants. From what my understanding with 81trekker (didn't really follow it that much since it was a 2nd gen and I am 3rd) there was a lot of modification to the front and rear. I think OP is trying to do the bare minimum to completely clear tires.
I did see the group buy that was going on though. Pretty awesome deal.

 

I probably won't be relocating suspension components ... but definitely sounds interesting and educational

 

Start here
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/81-tube-frame-trekker.626283/
The rest of his threads are linked in there I think

 

Not sure about 2nd gen. But 3rd gen (sat 1 in higher than 2nd gens stock), can run 33 pizza cutters with only trims. That's what I did for a bit but swapped to 285s like 3 months later when I got my first set of lifted suspension.

 

I've had 285s on both my 2nd gen stock, they rubbed. I never took it off road.
I currently have 285s on my 3rd gen. My lift was around 1.5 - 2 inches when I got them... minimal rub. But would rub if fully stuffed.... now my lift has sagged. Need to rebuild shocks and maybe get new springs. I am almost at stock height and I rub like crazy on almost every turn.