Lock up your keyfobs!!

What if, what if, what if...could go on all day. The other option is to carry your fob in a small faraday pouch.

Or just don’t worry about it and let insurance take care of it for the 1 in a million chances it will happen to you.

 

Sucks for the guy who pours $$$ into a build to have it stolen due to a security flaw in technology.

And by the way, my Honda S2000 was stolen 10 years ago by experience car ring thieves and was found by police completely parted out a day later. They cut the convertible top to get inside and it was towed quickly. So yeah it did happen to me.

Having a car stolen ain't fun.

 

That sucks to hear. I read a lot of these type of news lately. I read an article listing up the most stolen car manufacturer in the past decade was Ford, all those F150-350s are just a theives' favorite. Crazy. Kinda makes me wish i got an MT.

 

Why would anybody steal a Ford ?

 

They need something to drive around with to look for keyless entry tacomas

 

Please stop putting out bad information, and go educate yourself. A simple google search will yield the correct information.

Key fobs transmit an average of 5 - 20 METERS--through typically constructed household walls, and much further through glass.

Also, as someone else pointed out, a directional yagi antenna & signal booster, can be used to vastly increase the range at which the fob can be detected. If you've done any type of "war driving" with a directional yagi, you know that you can aim a pinpoint antenna at a target, from much further away, and capture that signal/frequency, almost as if you were standing right in front of it.

The keyless entry systems in use over the last 10 years to current, ALSO permit the vehicle to start! If you can unlock the doors, you can start the vehicle. If the vehicle can be relay-attacked to unlock the doors, the same relay attack will permit the vehicle to start.

 

Got a link or did you make this up ?

If a vehicle requires a key to start it I don't see how the hell it can be started without a key. But if you have an authoritative link I'm all eyes.

 

I gave you two links already! What more do you want??? The authoritative links are in my previous posts, with the videos and explanations of how it works, and what it does. Go read them.

But let's make sure you're talking about the subject of this thread, and not some of the side-topics. With the keyless entry/keyless start systems, the fob is used both for the unlocking of doors, and starting of the vehicle.

If you're talking about a key fob, where a pushbutton unlocks the door, but where a PHYSICAL key is required to start the ignition, well then you're talking about one of the side-posts that have started, which is NOT what the OP experienced, and is NOT the scope of this thread. The OP was incorrect in his statement that his fob had been reprogrammed (the comment you partially quoted explains why a reprogram isn't what happened.)

 

The unlock signal the fob emits and the signal that is used to detect the proximity of the fob to the car are different. Unlock signal can travel 20 meters, proximity signal does not. Fob doesn't emit unlock/lock signal unless you press the button. It starts emitting the proximity signal as soon as it detects it is near the car ( that is why the thieves need to relay the signal from the car to trick the key to start emitting proximity signal). That signal is used for "grip unlock" and push start. Range of that signal is far less than 5 meters (probably around 1-2 feet at best) because the doors wont unlock if you are not next to the door (you cant even unlock the doors if you are standing near the back door or start the car if they key is inside a bag or coat pocket on the back seat). You need the proximity signal to push start, not the unlock signal. Plus the unlock signal cannot be picked up unless you press the button because it is not constantly emitted.

Maybe read the difference between the two before saying is something is bad info.

 

With the systems they use to jack the signal, all they need is the unlock signal. They can then use this coding or whatever to also start the keyless start systems. That is how they are able to do it. At that point, the start signal is irrelevant, as long as they can reach the lock/unlock signal. I think that’s the point you keep missing.

 

Yep. That does work.

 

It would stupid simple to just state that the subject only applies to vehicles with a fob and a remote start circuit but as far as I can tell nobody, including you, bothered to make this distinction. Instead some are saying, including you, that "if the truck can be unlocked remotely it can be started". This is false and why I've been beating this dead horse. there are 2 different "security systems" that are available for the Tacoma, one includes a fob, keyless entry AND remote start. The other also has keyless entry but no remote start. Without remote start thieves cannot steal the truck by interception transmissions from the fob. The only reason I got involved in this thread is because it led me to believe it applied to all Tacoma's. Now I know it doesn't. There, I've said my peace and will leave now.

PS: There may be a 3rd security system without keyless entry for all I know.

 

The unlock signal is not emitted unless you press the fob, so you are safe. Also I have never hear that they can use the unlock signal to trick key less system. Even the link you shared contradicts with what you now claim.

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/

The attack essentially tricks both the car and real key into thinking they're in close proximity. One hacker holds a device a few feet from the victim's key, while a thief holds the other near the target car. The device near the car spoofs a signal from the key. That elicits a radio signal from the car's keyless entry system, which seeks a certain signal back from the key before it will open. Rather than try to crack that radio code, the hacker's devices instead copy it, then transmit it via radio from one of the hackers' devices to the other, and then to the key. Then they immediately transmit the key's response back along the chain, effectively telling the car that the key is in the driver's hand.
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Fob doesn't emit the code required for the s push start system when you press unlock. If they have means to recreate that signal from the unlock signal, than they should also be able to do it with the VIN alone.

 

Push button start vs physical key (SR trims, manuals, etc) is the key in this thread.

 

I never shared a link.

We can just agree to disagree with our own interpretations of how it works. Although this last comment makes me think we are saying the same thing now. The start signal is moot as long as they can pull the unlock code.

 

We're not talking about a "remote start circuit" --the keyless entry/keyless start on the OP's vehicle was "relay attacked" --as described, ad nauseum.

You really should go read the 2 links on the nature of the attack and the equipment used.

 

^ Exactly. Thank you.

 

This is why my S2000 and Taco sleep in the garage. Sure they may be able to signal the door to open as well... but that’s enough time for me to meet them with some of my American and communist friends.

 

I hear that Fords are easy to push.

 

Those links talk about the relaying of the proximity signal, not the lock/unlock signal that is emitted when you press unlock. They amplify the proximity signal from the car to trick the key inside the home to start emitting its proximity signal. Normally, once the car detects that proximity signal from the key, it allows grab unlock and push start. Thieves trick the system by amplifying and relaying the signals between the key and the car. However, the proximity signal the key emits is short range and cannot be picked up and relayed unless the thieves can get few feets of the key. If you watched the video on one of the link, you can see the thieve moving around the door, trying to pick up the proximity signal from the key. Owner of the car probably hangs the key next to the door and so it could be picked up.

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/

The attack essentially tricks both the car and real key into thinking they're in close proximity. One hacker holds a device a few feet from the victim's key, while a thief holds the other near the target car. The device near the car spoofs a signal from the key. That elicits a radio signal from the car's keyless entry system, which seeks a certain signal back from the key before it will open. Rather than try to crack that radio code, the hacker's devices instead copy it, then transmit it via radio from one of the hackers' devices to the other, and then to the key. Then they immediately transmit the key's response back along the chain, effectively telling the car that the key is in the driver's hand.​