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Long Travel 4x4's?

Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by Stillfly199, Jan 17, 2010.

  1. Jan 17, 2010 at 4:43 PM
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    Stillfly199

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    This is mainly concerning the kits other than the All Pro kits. The serious LT kits. With having the extended axles, doesnt it make the axles a lot weaker? Does it affect the 4wd capabilities?
     
  2. Jan 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM
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    My question is, why do they need longer axles in the first place?
     
  3. Jan 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM
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    wat?
    b/c the LT kits push the wheels and spindles further out from the truck, so u need longer axles to reach them
     
  4. Jan 17, 2010 at 5:10 PM
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    the steel (or differnet metal...i can't remember what type they use) is a LOT stronger than the stock axle metal is so i cant see them being weaker
     
  5. Jan 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM
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    wat?
    ^^i think most are chromoly or whatever....stronger than stock
     
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    Ok, I can understand that. Thanks for the input
     
  7. Jan 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM
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    While that makes sense, my un-stated question was: Why do you need the wider wheelbase in the first place?

    Sorry I wasn't clear - mind-reading isn't a requirement.
     
  8. Jan 17, 2010 at 6:51 PM
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    Long travel allows more wheel travel, and allows you to haul ass through the desert
     
  9. Jan 17, 2010 at 7:36 PM
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    It comes down to geometry. Put your arm out horizontally and move your finger up and down you can move it like 2 inches before things would bind. Now move your arm up and down at you're elbow. You would be able to move it like a foot before things would bind theoretically speaking if it were a control arm.

    I hope this makes sense.
     
  10. Jan 17, 2010 at 7:42 PM
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    ^ great way to explain it!
     
  11. Jan 18, 2010 at 2:57 AM
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    Yeah, that makes sense.
     
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    Somewhat related to this thread, I found a post from a guy who documented (with pics) how to replace a broken front axle on his FJ. He made some good comments about the CV joint being the weakest link in the axle.
    --BellyDoc (Jon) from fjcruiserforums
     
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    To bring that article into the topic, by increasing the length of the control arms and effectively using bump stops and limiting straps you keep the driveline angles well within their functional capacity with the same or more wheel travel.

    Yes, you could run LT without limiting straps or bump stops for super travel but you'd also be increasing torsion at the fulcrum and the CV axle would have to do more work (force over distance) at the same driveline angles as stock. Then you'd be back to grenading CVs like it's going out of style. You'd be worse off with a long travel set-up allowed to run to the extremes of articulation.
     
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