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Long Travel BS Thread

Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by amaes, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. Mar 14, 2019 at 6:01 PM
    Radarninja

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    I need a man around the house that can do this! Lol
     
  2. Mar 14, 2019 at 6:13 PM
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    smashed this, broke that, covered it up with tape and paint
    Hey, anyone know how much travel the short course trucks have in the rear? Like the actual dirt course trucks not the assfault trucks
     
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    smashed this, broke that, covered it up with tape and paint
    That’s what I was thinking too.
    Wonder if that’s a short course link design limit or just all they felt it needs
     
  5. Mar 15, 2019 at 4:09 AM
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    The first one is the truck empty except for one box of light gear. The second is loaded for camping, minus the tools and recovery gear, which went in another truck on that trip. Estimated weight for tools+recovery gear is 350#

    ETA: not trying to be a dick, I'd love to be wrong about this some how and use a more normal leaf pack...
     
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  6. Mar 15, 2019 at 5:50 AM
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    Hey I’m about to throw on a camburg 3.5 kit and have a question about spring rate. I was wondering what I spring rate I should run. The kings I bought have 16x600 on them right now but my friend suggested I should run a stiffer spring just wondering what everyone else is running thanks
     
  7. Mar 15, 2019 at 6:30 AM
    snowsk8air2

    snowsk8air2 how hard can it be?

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    Not a dick at all. I’m just trying to be helpful and make sure you weren’t forgetting something or thinking abokt something the wrong way. If your local place does custom springs then have them hook you up. And hopefully in the event that something isn’t right or you don’t like the ride down the road, they can re-arch them or adjust the pack for you without having to buy a whole new pack. But hopefully everything is right on the first go
     
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  8. Mar 15, 2019 at 6:39 AM
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    Holy smokes we've been over and over why the short course idea is just a bad idea if you want to maximize travel ( and bed space too ) I just sketched this up to show it in super simple terms how much travel you loose with a short course set up. Obviously not Taco specific dims but the basic math is obvious. Same exact link and CO, same bump at frame but simply move the CO to the link and you nearly double the travel.

    upload_2019-3-15_6-35-17.jpg
     
  9. Mar 15, 2019 at 6:45 AM
    snowsk8air2

    snowsk8air2 how hard can it be?

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    Somewhere between 600-700 is the range most people run. Just depends how much added weight you have up front.
     
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    I appreciate it, worst case scenario I'm selling a lightly used F150 pack and buying a DMZ kit...
     
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    Wouldn't this be application specific though? I see what you're saying in regards to travel, but the motion ratio is WAY different between the two models. Spring rates, valving, ect would be completely different due to the leverage factor.
     
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  12. Mar 15, 2019 at 7:11 AM
    snowsk8air2

    snowsk8air2 how hard can it be?

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    It would, but this guy has asked every question 2-3 times and gotten good answers every time. His truck has been in multiple fab shops because they either screwed something up, or he burned bridges. He took it away from the west coast which has more than enough qualified shops and took it back east to have a shop that specializes in rock bouncers try to finish and completely change his desert truck build. And no one has seen an updated pic of the truck in 1.5yrs. I think @Evenflow is just annoyed he popped in asking a question that he has gotten the answer for several times and seems to expect it to be different now.
     
  13. Mar 15, 2019 at 7:21 AM
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    Gotcha. :anonymous:

    My response is irrelevant then. Disregard. :rofl:
     
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    Yes sir, you are correct the leverage ratio is different in every possible scenario where any of the dimensions are changed but the primary factors are the length of the link and the distance from the front of the link to the CO.
     
  16. Mar 15, 2019 at 9:08 AM
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    I'm not annoyed, it's just that the question has been posed so many times that I truly wonder if the basic geometry / math is understood so I wanted to throw together that diagram to help explain it in very basic terms w/ somewhat of an extreme example.
     
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    I don’t have a heavy bumper, and I’m running 600# on my Fox’s with thier LT Kit. If you plan on a plate bumper or winch, I’d go with 650# or 700#. I believe most with just tube prerunner style bumpers stay with 600#
     
  18. Mar 15, 2019 at 10:35 AM
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    I still don't know what I'm doing, not sure if I'm the man you want around your house haha
     
  19. Mar 15, 2019 at 11:14 AM
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    Before any of the suspension design savy crowd get off work today and chime in about this - please understand that the CO angles I sketched are bad, you want your CO to " hang" as close to 90 as possible when at full droop. Again, my sketch is just diagrammatic to show the basic principles.
     
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  20. Mar 15, 2019 at 11:26 AM
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