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Long Travel BS Thread

Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by amaes, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. May 15, 2024 at 10:36 PM
    Sterling_vH111

    Sterling_vH111 Go do something real instead.

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    I’m trying to Figure out 3rd gen 4R suspension too. I want flexi coils without a ridiculous lift (2-2.5”) with small 2.0 shocks.
    My goal is to crawl decently well but still be able to daily/road trip it 1000 miles if I want to.. no more LT for me on the 4Runner.

    Seems like maybe dobinsons rear springs are good as well as the 7wrap Land Cruiser front coils do well. I’m reading conflicting stuff on some of the OME coils.

    or go full kill with a longer link setup in the rear and with some hoops and 14” smoothies… or air shocks?
     
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  2. May 16, 2024 at 12:17 AM
    Dalandser

    Dalandser ¡Me Gustan Las Tacos-mas!

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    Hands down the best kit I’ve seen for the rear keeping the stock tank and not going through the cab for shocks is the FGP 3 link that utilizes coil springs and 12” / 14” shocks. A MT front setup and this kit will do better than a front LT setup and a stock 5 link in the rear.

    https://optoffroad.com/products/96-02-4runner-rear-lt-three-link-kit-lt3?variant=43661255082242

    I’ve got solo uppers and lowers and just a 10” ADS shock relocation out back waiting to go on with some oem king smoothies for the moment. Really interested to see what the outboard relocation will do with reducing body roll out back. I’ve gone from 27 year old stock springs to Moog to OME 906’s and have a pair of 891’s I’m sitting on until I see what I think about the 906’s. For what it is - my wife’s daily - the 906’s are fine. But they sag if I put all my tools in it and drive to work on my Tacoma.

    @Dayman Karate

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    https://www.off-road.com/trucks-4x4/project/project669.html

    Website sucks so I posted screen shots.
     
  3. May 16, 2024 at 4:17 AM
    Dayman Karate

    Dayman Karate Fighter of the night man, champion of the sun

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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    I just ordered that same kit last night lol after looking everywhere else it seemed like the best that’s out there. I got their taller shock relocate and a bunch of other goodies, too. Curious what coil length will be needed to keep up with 14” shocks though or am I overthinking that?

    Thanks for the screenshots. Looks pretty easy. Thought I’d have to grind the cup like some of the LT 2nd gen tacos had to do. At least I thought I’ve seen that somewhere…
     
  4. May 16, 2024 at 6:19 AM
    Sterling_vH111

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    Exactly what I was thinking. The FGP 3link with some coils and longer shocks, with a very basic mt front. Small shocks slow speeds haha
     
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  5. May 16, 2024 at 7:36 AM
    JTFisherman

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    You will probably need to strap it or use coil retainers to bolt springs in so they don’t drop out.

    straight up and down my rear suspension will do 12” with some longer length kings in oem mounting points.

    I have 861 springs and they get loose at full droop but you could get more compression if the shocks are mounted up higher and you tub the rear.

    superlift 580 are a jeep spring I tried that gave me about an inch lower ride height since the 861s sit high. They are also about an inch? longer free length so better droop but they are single rate so worse body sway.

    body sway wise, a sway bar on mine locked it down turning at high speeds. I was amazed when I drove it. You would have to get fancy to fit a sway bar with the osr shock relocate though.

    Straight droop
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    Flex
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    My sway bar placement, osr rear tube interferes on compression.
    IMG_8079.jpg
     
  6. May 16, 2024 at 7:57 AM
    Dayman Karate

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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    Dang, was hoping that wasn’t the case. Gonna reach out to opt and see what they’re recommending. I got a 1” body lift ordered so maybe I can tuck things up a little higher back there. Sway bar sounds like a fun project lol. Maybe I can go stiff enough with the rear coils or bump stops to make the front do work…

    what coils did you settle on up front? Are you still on 10” coilovers?
     
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  7. May 16, 2024 at 8:01 AM
    colinb17

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    hadn't actually seen your TK1 after you recommended it to me. looks great, and you're getting really good articulation still. medium heat treat on the shaft?
     
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    Well i have a 3rd g 4r and will say this
    There are no flexy low lift coils for them

    It depends a ton on how much weight you carry, i have gone over all the ome coils
    906 are nice but when you hardly carry stuff
    891 is better then 890 imo but i carry some weight so went to 861 and are softer but taller, a bigger tire would fix that
     
  9. May 16, 2024 at 8:41 AM
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    Got mine on ebay, $50 each
    Havent had issues at all, just remember they have to be oem and cut the inner lip
     
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    Dayman Karate

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    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/daymans-karate-class-but-you-wont-learn-nothin-4-link-lt-and-previous-iterations.755134/
    Very cool. So any old used 1st gen OEM tundra axles are fair game then? What boots did you go with? Any need to repack with grease or can you get out unscathed?
     
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    1.25" u4 bar, medium heat treat, 18" arms

    that pic is misleading on flex since it is before the sway bar, wanted to show the max of the 861s and shocks in the oem location.

    never posted pics with the bar because I installed recently. with the sway bar when loaded I lost about an inch each of droop and compression when flexed at the rear tire. unloaded maybe 1.5-2.

    not apples to apples since I raised ride height but before sway bar I could raise a front tire ~33" before loosing contact with a tire and I could lift a rear tire ~37". after sway bar I'm at ~35 rear and ~33 front. it pushed the ifs to flex out a lot more even with the rear
     
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    I went for the early ones, 98-2000 i believe it is cause the others changed the casing
    And for the boot 930 boot from kartek

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    Wishbone Runner

    Wishbone Runner Because 4R

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    Are those IBP rear shocks?
     
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    Wishbone Runner

    Wishbone Runner Because 4R

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    Not sure what the mounting differences are between the 3rd and 4th gen, but I have been very happy with the Metal Tech coils on my truck, dual rate with ~19" free length IIRC, run 12" and coils stay tight with no retainers.
     
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    I believe the 4the gens have a lot larger diameter coil than the 3rd gens. Don’t know if rear springs would be comparable between the two
     
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    nope just the oem replacement kings ordered in a different length. considered trying to put a raptor ibp back there but 3" would be a pain to fit.

    I know 3rd gen t4r can use tj/xj/jk/jl? front springs in the rear if you pull the coil isolator. Just gotta figure out the right height. most are available on Amazon cheap and easy to return though so you can play around with it.
     
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    I just a quote for a back half I can afford. It's from a reputable fabricator in my area.

    I want to keep it street legal-ish. I'm assuming I'll need to keep the stock fuel tank. What else do I need to keep? I'm in Colorado springs so there is no safety vehicle verification or smog. With that said, I would still like to avoid any surprises or a cop having a bad day.
     
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  18. May 16, 2024 at 3:35 PM
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    Stacking upppp

    Don't mind the mess. It's a basement lol
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    Well boys, we fuckin did it. First test drive was a massive success! Steering is going to take some time to get used to. One turn lock to lock is different, to say the least. Worst case if I don’t like it, I up my box ratio. But it moves 37’s absolutely effortlessly at a dead stop. It’s wild.

    Rear end is unreal. It is night and day better than the last setup. Zero rear rise no matter how hard I accelerate, I can’t feel even the slightest hint of wrap. And talk about plush.

    So stoked with how this all came together.

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    Just saw these

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