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Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by mjp2, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. Dec 30, 2009 at 8:30 AM
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    blackhawke88

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    ^ coilovers and how you tune them, tires and alignment will affect on road performance with long travel more than the kit itself. If you go with a long travel kit other than All Pro's, you will need after market fenders, which will make your all pro front bumper look narrow. you wont need to remove it though
     
  2. Dec 30, 2009 at 8:44 AM
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    yea i saw that id have to get new fenders with most of them and thats cool with me, im planning on spending a lil bit of money with this and thats cool to. i watched the total chaos video they have and i gotta say its pretty impressive. is there truely a huge different in the kits? like camburg vs TC?
     
  3. Dec 30, 2009 at 8:45 AM
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    if you get the allproo lt you can keep the bumper, the rest i don't think it would look right, i may be wrong. look for monkeyproof on here. he has the allpro lt and that bumper
     
  4. Dec 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM
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    cool will do, thanks, i just got the bumper like a month ago and now i found out about the LT stuff and im like.... S&$T, but if it doesnt look right im sure i wont have a problem gettin rid of it. so whats yalls personal favorite?
     
  5. Dec 30, 2009 at 9:05 AM
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    i varies, alot of people are going engage because of quality, customer service and price. some like total chaos, not that many people that i know of going the camburg route
     
  6. May 3, 2010 at 1:15 PM
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    Added Batch Racing to the first post links. Bumping this thread to see if anyone has had any experience with the company or their products.
     
  7. May 4, 2010 at 12:13 AM
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    the giant rear long travel pictures show stock besides , can you maintain your stock bedsides still? im still debating what to do with the rear i use my bed alot and load my quad in the back alot.
     
  8. May 4, 2010 at 6:16 AM
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    I don't think you can use stock bedsides, you wheels would slam into them. You can do a bedsaver cage in the back and that should leave you enough room for your quad
     
  9. May 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM
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    I researched this. The weakness in the suspension of 6-Lug Tacomas is mostly in the rear. Therefore, if you go LT in the front you need to go with an equally capable LT in the back. Tim at DMZ came-up with a smart solution in the rear which provides 16" of useable rear wheel travel and retains largely the payload capacity of the Tacoma bed. Check the website at DMZ Fab, under Customers, Toyota, Jeff's 2005 Tacoma, and look at the bedcage design.

    Engage does not have a front LT solution for 4x4 Tacomas. Hashim is working on it, but it does not look imminent due to problems with front axles and related components.

    Keep in mind, that to increase your off road performance both the front and back suspensions need be balanced and have the same capability. The front and back need to be tuned to work together.

    Good luck to you all,

    Chris
     
  10. May 4, 2010 at 9:31 AM
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    It looks fine, as you're keeping your stock fenders.

    The difference between AP LT and cranked CO's is about 1.5'' higher and 2'' wider each side.

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  11. May 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM
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    All Pro now offers glass fenders that come in at the front to line up with that bumper. :thumbsup:
     
  12. May 4, 2010 at 9:37 AM
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    Tough call. Mounting the shocks outside the frame will require wheel spacers to clear the shocks and glass to clear the uptravel. If you mount the shocks inside the frame rails you won't have to run wheel spacers but you'll lose space in the bed for your quad. It's a compromise either way.
     
  13. May 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM
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    I like this set up looks like the shocks are all the way up front to use most of your bed.(would like to see pics with bed on though ) looks like if worse case i can put my front quad tires on the metal shock hoop, and love the boxed frame and cross member.

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    here is Jeff's tacoma from DMZ
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    here is the giant set up with stock bedsides on with rear LT:
    http://giantmotorsports.com/content/view/84/104/

    I really dont want rear fiberglass in the rear right now, due to that the front was a pain in the ass for me , and cost for glass, paint, and to have stripped to match truck.
    Also im a student driver (19) and there are alot of dumb kids that dont know how to drive here in valley and i know im going to get rear ended once i get my glass )
     
  14. May 4, 2010 at 12:59 PM
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    The glass bedsides go on really easily, especially when compared to the front fenders.

    The bedcages shown above are a heck of a lot more work/time/cost than the fenders will be. The Giant bolt-in bedcage is a nice solution if you don't have welding skills or a fabricator nearby. Just be sure to factor the time and cost into your build when you decide to take the plunge.

    To bedside or not to bedside is a decision that can be made after the fact. Install the kit, run wheel spacers if you run into clearance issues with the shocks, and only replace the bedsides if you rub and can fix it by cutting.

    Depending on shock choice you may get away with no spacers at all. Smooth body 2.5" shocks would probably clear without any issues. I'm running 3" 4-tube bypasses and have stupid-wide spacers for now until I swap rear axles.

    I hear you on the stupid people on the road but so far I've been lucky. All my damage has been caused by me alone. :p
     
  15. May 4, 2010 at 1:07 PM
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    if you go with the bed cage and keep the actual truck bed, is there any way to take the bed off without cutting off the bed cage?
     
  16. May 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM
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    No problem with a bolt-in. With a weld-in cage it all depends on the design.
     
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    I have light welding skills passed welding in high school and have a wire feed one at home and a cutting torch that's it. But buddy of mine has a lift for trucks, welders etc. and is certified ..

    I just want to know if they that Tacoma from Gaint who is running those stock besides can it be done, so i can do that for the meantime.( till the $$ piles up)


    whats so bad about spacers in the rear?
    I would the the 4 tube bypasses they look way better and prob preform better also.
    Also wouldn't I want spacers in rear so my wheels are not tucked in the wheel well, and wider Stance ?

    Im currently saving up for the leafs, u-bolts shackles and shocks first, then save for shocks,following labor for cage and boxing frame .( then like you said if needed the fiber glass and paint)

    - does engage kit come with the shackles ? I know they sell they u-bolt kit separate for $250 and leafs are $600.

    Also does anyone know the price on the DMZ leaf and shackle kit off the top of there heads?

    thanks for all the help .
     
  18. May 5, 2010 at 5:27 AM
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    I run spacers in the back on mine and have not had any problem. I don't think you can run stock bedsides with lt rear, the wheels would hit the inside on the way up. Dmz spring under kit is 1700 I believe.
     
  19. May 5, 2010 at 7:40 AM
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    Nothing wrong with spacers in general, but there's definitely no way you're keeping the stock bedsides if you push the wheels out. If you can run without spacers then there's *a chance* that you could get away with the factory sheetmetal for awhile.

    I push my truck a bit harder than most and for me spacers are just another potential point of failure. To clear 4-tube bypass shocks you're probably going to need 3" spacers on each side to avoid rubbing when the suspension articulates.
     
  20. May 5, 2010 at 7:53 AM
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    ^^^or just get a tundra or chevy rear end. 3" spacer:eek:
     

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