Look out toyota.

Time to move on. If this is what you want to talk about new thread Gay slurs?

 

Just a little light hearted fun. I didn't say anything that we don't already know.

 

you can call me whatever slanderous terms apply and I am not going to be butt hurt about it.. hell being a straight white male With a family and a job these days Is rough haha.


Maybe people should stop being pussies and grow an toughen up a bit.

But our culture problem is growing and it just compounds over and over on itself.

No Child left behind, no adult expectations or should I say responsibilities. . Don't forget your free to have a sex change as a child, you should be free to go to school for your whole life and never be a constructive human that is part of society. But don't forget your social network here have a free phone, well you can't seem to be happy with free food sooooo instead of improvement on your part you can now have steak and shrimp, alcohol etc free.

Oh by the way, if you were actually in a bind thats not your fault fuck you... you get nothing, no help and here talk to this nice IRS lady. Hope you die before your appointment comes around in the VA system. You have to be sympathetic to the people your taxes support who clearly do not actually need assistance while you struggle yourSelf.

The problem is not going to fix itself..
the view point and media feeding them is so off center And

 

Fucked up..

back to topic I really wonder how the Durmax launch will go.

History proves GM has a tough time making anything reliable and out the door its way worse.

Didn't the duramax have a ton of issues itself when it came out?

 

My point is when you are trying to make an argument that you claim is based on Science, at no point should calling someone a metro-sexual or mall crawler enter the conversation. When you insult someone in an argument you have gone from trying to rationalize your point to simply acting like a child screaming they're right because they're right. There is no logic in that.

As for insulting people in general, use some common sense. I agree everyone should have some backbone, but let's be honest, there are about a thousand different insults out there that don't refer to someones race, religion, etc etc that you can use. So use one of those. Whatever happened to just calling assholes and asshole?

Duramax had a ton of transmission issues at first IIRC.

 

I think I'd rather buy a gen2 Taco before anything put out by GM...

 

Asshole.

 

TY, now

 

Yea I got that after I read all the other stuff. When I first read bluet reply I was thinking it was the picture guy haha.

I still use asshole. Not as much as shitbag, prick and dick.

And my comments are not directed at anyone just speaking in general.

Pretty disgusted with the shit going on now people are going after the POW/MIA flag.. I don't get it.. this is why I rarely pay attention to the news anymore.

I remember injector issues too.

GM has a bad track record with diesels. DURAMAX is by far their shiny turd.

I hope the 2.8 is a great one, and hope it makes the market better. But I don't have high expectations for it.

 

First year, I'd watch for problems with the emission control and DEF. The engine in the Ram and Grand Cherokee has proven to be good in Europe and Australia. Problems in the US are emission related.

 

Yup. Then at year 3 or 4 watch out for the vibration dampener which, even overseas, is a weak component and can grenade the transmission if it comes out of tune/wear. Then in year 4 and 5, if that belt is not made of Kevlar, watch for the timing belt to wear out prematurely. I can't see a timing belt, even in a low RPM engine, going 150K miles like someone stated unless they use a Kevlar belt. Even if they use a Kevlar belt, all that does is eliminate a change (which is nice) but, it'll cost an arm and a leg to replace.

For a few hours one day I toyed around with the idea of getting a Duramax Colorado once the towing and torque numbers were released. After some quick research and discovering it's weak points, as well as who designed it, I quickly shelved that idea.

 

Share the wealth of your toils. Please do elaborate. Legitimately interested in your conclusions since I'm more than just toying with the idea.

 

Just look up some sources that lists the Diesel Colorado HP/Torque numbers. It will likely mention a timing belt with a 150K interval. Even VW recommends changing their Kevlar belts at 100K when used in a truck application. The timing belt is a weak spot and, as everyone would agree, a rather silly feature on a low RPM motor. While it's not something that should scare you right off from buying one, it's definitely something that should be changed at least every 100K and will be a PITA to do so, as well as cost a little change.

The balancing system on the transmission is a finely tuned part. It basically isolates the vibrations from the I4 engine design from going down the drive train and causing a crappy ride. There are other ways around it but this is the GM way. Heat from towing, heavy loading, etc which will happen with this Diesel can lead to failure of the system. While it's not instantly catastrophic, running the transmission with the balancer out of perfect can cause a "death wobble" to build up on the transmission shafts. That can cause all sorts of carnage if left unchecked. Again, this is not something that should scare away a buyer immediately, but it is another weak point in the design.

Then there's all the questions with the US compliant emissions system and design... which could cause fuel issues that could run you several K to fix if the dealer blames it on bad fuel you put in the tank.

The Urea tank drops the tire by 3" and, if the early reviews are right, could limit suspension up travel in the rear. So losing that approach angle, at least as long as the spare is tucked underneath, as well as losing suspension travel are not things that really please me for a truck I will take out on trails.

Anyways, for me to spend +40K on a truck, which the Diesel will be in Canada, I need to have a pretty good feeling that it's going to hold together. Right now, from the limited sources out there, I'm not getting that feeling.

 

@Sterdog , sounds like you certainly did a bit of reading but one thing about your analysis is pretty evident. Most of the assertions are big "ifs". 150k timing belt interval sounds too long to you and you think it COULD fail early. Well, you could mitigate that risk by changing it on a normal (shorter) interval. Does that mean it's a flawed design? Not in my opinion. Especially considering you didn't cite any widespread failures. However, I 100% agree that it should have been a timing chain. No ifs ands or butts.

The balancer on the transmission still has yet to be proven (one way or the other) but I too am curious about it. I won't be towing anything (at least historically I don't) so I'm thinking for my use it is likely to do just fine. But again, to be fair, you're stating that IF you tow heavy loads often and IF this balancer somehow gets out of perfect it COULD cause issues within the transmission. Again, lot of ifs in that statement. It's no less possible but again, we have yet to see any negative evidence supporting the claim.

I'm not sure what you mean by "drops the tire 3" when referring to the urea tank. I understand you're referring to the limitation of suspension travel but I haven't seen anything stating this. Can you point me to a link? I'm very interested in this.

PS: I'm being told the 2016 gas engine twins will have a 60k powertrain warranty but the diesel may get a 100k warranty. That would be a game changer for those of us (myself included) worried about long term reliability.

 

The 100k powertrain would get my attention. As would the price tag.

 

Omg the last page was retarded

 

When we bought my Sentra 12 years ago they told us the timing chain would never need to be replaced. I have 140k on it. Should it be replaced?

 

It's all if's until that motor runs for at least 5 years over here in North America. I used "if" because I don't want to give the impression that I know that the components I mentioned will fail. They are just more susceptible to failure or cost more to replace which scares me.

The urea tank is under the box on the Colorado. Just check a picture on google of the Duramax truck. It does effect the mounting of the spare. There is a rumor that on the production model it could be moved/reshaped to the passenger side like on the 2500HD, but that would be an even worse spot IMHO. On the passenger side it's exposed to road damage and goes below the frame, which means offroad it will take impacts. Not to mention how it would interfere with mounting sliders. Really, at the end of the day, there just isn't a good spot to stick that cheap square tank on the Colorado without clearance issues.

As for the warranty I'd be extremely surprised if it was any longer than the gas job. GM just hacked there warranty up here by 60K KM's because it was getting too expensive to service all of their trucks after 100K KM's. I can't see them extending the warranties on the Colorado Diesel after doing that only about a year ago. Maybe they would offer a discount that covered the extended warranty, but would still apply to the gas job? That would be a GM thing to do. They used to do that all the time with their "free" Diesel or Sunroof upgrade programs. If you bought a vehicle without the upgrade, you still got a rebate equivalent to the cost of the option.

 

Well that's true if it's a chain. The conversation here is about a belt.

 

A timing chain will usually out last the engine. On some Tacoma's it needs to be replaced, but usually at well over 300K. If a motor goes 300K without a rebuild, than a lot of things are probably wore out and should be changed.