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Looking for a good 12 gauge

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by cole47, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. Mar 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM
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    i been looking for a while to get a new 12 gauge....i currently have the mossberg 590 model and i love it...im just wanting something different. Any suggestions?
     
  2. Mar 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM
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    pump? semi-auto? over-under? price range? all of these would help out.
     
  3. Mar 2, 2009 at 4:55 PM
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    perfer pump under $1500
     
  4. Mar 2, 2009 at 4:56 PM
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    Can't go wrong with a Remington 870. Got two and couldn't be happier with them. Had one for over 15 years (and it was used when I bought it) and never had any issues whatsoever with it.

    If you want a semi-auto, I'd probably suggest a Benelli. Never actually owned one, but have several friends with very good results with them.
     
  5. Mar 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM
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    for that budget, SBE II :drool::drool::drool:

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Mar 2, 2009 at 5:01 PM
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    dads had the 870 for yearss he loves it thats what hes trying to get me to buy
     
  7. Mar 2, 2009 at 5:04 PM
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    Well, probably 90% of the 870's are actually less than $750. So, for what you're looking at spending, you can get two :bananadance:
     
  8. Mar 2, 2009 at 5:12 PM
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    well i would like to get out as cheap as possible but i dont want some pos thats not worth a crap
     
  9. Mar 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM
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    ive got an 870 express mangum..its perfect for what I want, and its easily upgradeable(is that even a word?) lol.

    Althou i havent taken a deer with it, its dead on at 30 yards with 000 buckshot.

    For probably under $500, you can purchase the gun and upgrade it if you wish.
     
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    I like the remington 870 for a pump gun, but i've had a chance to fire the Benelli M4. Just about as badass as a semi-auto shotgun gets! Very accurate, and just plain awesome. Price should be right around your limit. Worth every penny!
     
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    I think this is one of the best deals out there. Out of the box action is very smoooooth.
     
  13. Mar 3, 2009 at 9:22 AM
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    Or, the standard, which is the Rem 870. These are the differences between Remington models..........

    The 870 Police is made in a different area in the manufacturing facility. I wondered why the 870's ranged fro $200 to $800+ and now I understand why.


    Here's the actual differences between the Express and Police models:

    First what REMINGTON says:
    REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION

    Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns.
    The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
    All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
    It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.

    While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
    To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

    • 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

    • All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

    • All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

    • Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

    • A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

    • A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

    • Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

    • The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

    • The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

    • The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

    • The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

    • The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

    • The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

    • The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

    • Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.

    Here's more info on the differences:
    Differences between the Express, Wingmaster, and Police

    The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

    How Remington lowered the price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

    The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.

    The Express Model has:
    A plastic trigger group.
    The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine version, which does NOT have the dimples.
    A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
    A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
    A less polished bore.
    A two piece barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
    Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.
    The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.
    Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.
    Has the locking safety button, although Remington MAY have discontinued it.

    The Wingmaster has:
    An aluminum trigger group.
    The old style magazine retention system.
    A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
    The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
    A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
    A polished bore.
    A one piece barrel.
    Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin. and better checkering.
    Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
    No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
    The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

    The 870 Police has:
    An aluminum trigger group.
    The old style magazine retention system.
    A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
    The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
    A military-grade parkerized finish.
    A polished bore.
    A one piece barrel.
    Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
    The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduced felt recoil by 30%.
    Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
    18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
    Heavy-duty magazine spring.
    Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
    Sling swivel mounts.
    No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

    The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
    The 870's are generally considered to be the finest quality pump gun made.
     
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    I have an 870 Wingmaster that I love! Excellent gun for the money. I have had this one for about 20 years now and it was used when I got it.
     
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    For that you could go get a Browning BPS series.
    You said pump, but I shoot a Beretta Urika 2. -- very smooth, simple gas system, reliable. Best 12ga I've owned. Rem 870, Mossberg 500 are popular choices and cheaper to buy. You can possibly get a Benelli in the price range too.

    [​IMG]
     
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    my vote is the Rem 870 express. I'm not following teh herd here but for the money that is the best gun you can buy IMO. I 've had mine for about 15yrs now and it is yet to let me down.
     
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    thanks for all the help guys.....still not real sure what imma get yet but imma try to find a benelli and shoot it and see if its rele worth the diff.
     
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