Lucas oil stabilizer.

1. Toyota is more concerned with cutting costs and streamlining production than with what is going to be going on in your motor after the warranty runs out.

2. Doesn't list a lot of things that would be a good practice to do if you're doing your own preventative maintenance.

3. No one is saying you "need" to mix anything with the oil. But to even suggest that Lucas oil coul possibly hurt a motor is just downright ignorant. There are literally thousands of examples to prove otherwise... And I challenge you to find one legitimate example of Lucas Oil harming a motor (and don't give me some bullshit example where some knucklehead put 6 quarts of Lucas in, and blew up a motor)

 

Hey thanks,yeah me personally I don't really wanna run that stuff in my motor.I have new oil laying around and considered just changing it.But if it won't hurt anything I'll run it for a bit with the synthetic he put in.

 

So everything not directly listed in a Toyota reference sheet is just wrong then?

I have over put 100k miles on one of my trucks, 500 hours on the boat, and 60k miles on my other truck using this stuff. I have zero slug in all three engines and it helped silence some lifter noise in the boat and my 4 cylinder Tacoma. Just because your manual doesn't say it doesn't mean its wrong, or a waste.

 

Exactly

 

I'm curious... What does the owner's manual say about the added stress on the suspension geometry from adding a lift? Or, what does it say about the added heat in the transmission, Tcase, and engine from pushing oversized tires... among other things that most of us do to our trucks here on TacomaWorld.

 

Yeah something silly like this can have people saying that it'll ruin your truck.So it's good to have this site to hear it from people with the experience

 

I have put 320k miles with NOT using that stuff - just regular dino oil change and my engine is clean as new (picture taken at 302k miles what I had it open for head gasket job). I guess I just saved over 1000 dollars for not using that stuff.



I don't say specifically that "Lukas" will destroy the engine, what I wrote is "Any of these magic oil additives are at the best scenario just waste of money, at worse harming the engine preventing from proper lubrication or destroying rubber seals.". Where the Lucas come between best and worse case I don't know. I don't know either if leaving it for the duration between the oil change is good or bad (giving it is already there). I don't know so I'm not saying.

But if you believe that any "magic additive" will fix or improve the engine performance AND life, you may as well believe that spitting on tires will do the same. There is the reason why all those "magic fluids" cost less than 20 dollars. 20 dollars is a psychological limit for "not that much money" that people are willing to risk spending on items that they don't know if they are good or bad (that's why all TV-Shopping has "20 dollars easy payments"). People in general are good and naive. They want to believe in good. If there are two opinions: one good, and one bad, from the goodness of heart people will believe in good. And there are plenty of parasite companies who taking advantage of that. Sad but true (see all LED in reflector housing questions).

By the way never use any "additive" to fix the problem. Unless you want to hide problems for short period of time while trying to sell you car to unsuspecting poor bastard. There are already few members here who tried magic of coolant additives with quite bad result.

 

People modify they cars for fun, added off-road performance or speed. I am 100% convinced that added stress will shorten the life of components (hence ripped CV boots with lifted truck). But that is the choice - have toy and have fun. If it breaks, we will fix it. For DD nobody in clear mind will advise to lift, add armor and huge mud tires. It will kill not only the gas mileage but added stress will shorten the truck's live. Heck, race cars can hardly last one race before the full rebuild is needed. But that's OK. They are for fun and entertainment. It does not come free.

By the way Toyota is very strange car manufacturer. Unlike other cars they are very conservative. They do not allow any single change unless it is fully tested and proven to have better performance and reliability with no adverse effects on any other component or system.
I just got the email from Toyota announcing the new radar thing (adaptive CC) and lane assist. It will be in 2020 models. The thing that is in many other brands for years already. My son just rented a Volvo that has road signs reading that keeps the speed to the posted limit accordingly. Probably another few years before Toyota decides on something like that.
But there is an upside of that. When Toyota puts something like that that fricken thing is going to be as solid as a stone (I think they already learned from Entune mishaps). This is why I love stock Toyota and do just "minor improvements". But at the same time I admire off-road mods, they will affect reliability, yes but what a machine

 

off topic but maybe similar i dunno
happened to see this video from timmy toolman
anybody ever heard or try or use this stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5BvNwyIqmY

 

Kill me for saying that but it is another snake oil. If your engine suffers from heavy carbon buildup there is a problem that needs to be addressed by fixing the problem, not removing the result by some petrol product. If you use seafoam to clean the carbon, yes it may remove some of it but few weeks later it will be back. This is one of this things that shows "see before and after", but they will never show you the "after few months".

On the other hand some carbon buildup is normal for the engine. The light coat on piston is always there - that's the physic and chemistry of burning the fuel/air mixture in a combustion engine. It is a result of byproducts of burning fuel and the temperature of the particular surface. The is a nice video explaining where carbon is deposited and why.

The only reason to use seafoam would be to clean the carbon buildup after there was a problem causing it and the issue was fixed, but in most cases the engine would clean up itself anyway.

 

indeed

 

Now I just don't buy any of that... at all.

Case in point. 3rd gen stuttering, and transmission not knowing what gear to be in.

The thought that Toyota or their Engineers are vastly superior to most any other auto manufacturer or their engineers is a commonly held belief in this forum, and it's actually quite comical to watch.

The 2nd Gen Tacoma was one of the highest rated pickups on the market... the 3rd gen has been rated, by more than a few, as the worst on the market. That blows your entire theory to hell.

 

I use seafoam as a fuel stabilizer and put it in my oil (motorcycles). It's winter where I live and well - not riding so I put it in with the oil and fuel. As far as using it for carbon build-up maybe if you have a vehicle that sits for long periods of time or doesn't see highway use. With modern fuels I think they do a pretty good job of keeping things clean with detergents and such. I have seen the difference between fuel that was not treated and fuel that did have seafoam in it. There was definitely a smell difference and I had to rebuild the carb on the bike that didn't have any seafoam in it.

 

First regarding "market rating". Most of buyer already grew up of "market rating" numbers as they are pure "marketing" numbers. The "independent" ratings are based on amount of zeros on the check the reviewing company, magazine or organization is receiving.

As for quality and reliability you have to put it into context of the overall cars market . Cost squeezing is everywhere. Old quality Mercedes, BMW or Audi is a history now. Can you believe that one of the worst cars in Europe is Mercedes A-class? So there are always a problems especially when technology progress and cost saving plays primary role. I am not that naive.

First hand (maybe second hand) experience is from BOSH company where my relative works. They make brake boosters and brake fluid containers for almost every car in the world (they also make e-booster for Tesla). The toughest customer to deal with is Toyota. The easiest is Russian UAZ. On the other hand Toyota is the most resistant company to approve any changes. If it works well, do't f***ing touch it.

 

1. So you have no experience using additives. Not like you would feel and difference but its hard to understand your side of the argument based off your
assumption that its useless. Is the stuff going to make or break a 500,000 miles engine? probably not..is it going to hurt your chances, DOUBT IT!

2. at no point did myself or anyone else make claims that magic oil improved our gas mileage, made more power, or made the paint shine brighter. Simply that we use it and it hasn't harmed anything

3. at no point did anyone claim this fixed a problem or used with intentions of permanently correcting a problem.

Your seafom argument follows the same path, obviously its a quick fix for removing carbon build up, thats why it marketed that way: "clear carbon build up" - NOT - "fix your carbon build up problem"

At some point are they snake oil? I suppose so. But its not like they do absolutely nothing. Its been proven when used correctly, seafoam, lucas, radiator stop leak, etc..work for their intended purpose...A temporary fix or peace of mind at best.

 

I started running a half quart of Marvel mystery oil mixed in with the reg oil i use at changes.. I won't do this at every oil change or anything. It may or may not do any good but for a few bucks i hear good things about the stuff i figure it cant hurt in cleaning some carbon out.. So far no issues at all. Run it in my fuel every so often as well.

 

I don't have experience jumping from 10 story building, but if I assume I will not survive that experiment I may not be far away from truth.

On other words spending money for nothing. But it's your paycheck, spend it on what makes you happy.

I have a good one. Just made it up, but once it's planted in someone's mind it will be hard to not believe it (human beings are like that).

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Disclosure (not fine print):
I just made up the correlation between the clean pipe and engine performance.
I have no relation to Borla, just found some real cleaning product the rest is just made up (read: Marketing BS).
If you believe in this "consumer advise" then you are very likely to believe in other "snake oil" products. Sorry.

 

Lmao

 

So we go from oil additives to online reviews of borla exhaust cleaner.... I can post stupid reviews of other non-related products too, put that wont prove anything either.


(Below is just for fun, don't freak out internet)

here is a funny one about sugar free gummy bears. Advertised as a fun snack but actually a powerful laxative!