Manual Trans. Mother of God.

Really?! I didn't realize that. Could you elaborate?

A-Trac works without throttle input?

 

I couldn't imagine driving an auto tranny Tacoma. For me, shifting gears is right up there with steering and throttle. I want control and don't want a machine deciding what should happen.

 

Wouldn't consider it a "problem" but j get what you mean. Haha

 

This statement is incorrect. I did a little more research and A-Trac is designed to simulate a locking differential by applying the brakes to slipping wheels. So it is designed to propel the vehicle, not to control it on a descent. It is basically an artificial locker.

Crawl Control controls throttle and braking-to-each-individual-wheel to maintain a desired speed. So it works for both propelling the vehicle, and controlling on a descent.

This worksheet/thread helped immensely for what all each of the systems do.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3rd-gen-traction-control-modes-explained.530695/

 

That all sounds cool and interesting... I would rather control my own truck and be able to shift gears when not in creeping four wheeling mode. Plus, less crap to break in the future.

 

Awesome tables.


So how did folks drive before this technology came about?

 

Uh, no. No one believes that. Manual transmission are awesome, fun to drive, and in the older days, easier to fix, but superior offroad they are not, nor ever will be. It’s just the facts. You can’t have it all in this life.

 

ha

ha. I've been looking this up myself. but the question i have is where do you see crawl control/mts has this particular advantage on descents where it controls rear wheel brakes individually to keep the rear from coming around, and that this is something the MT trucks do not have. i don't see this in that table but honestly my eyes aren't too good and it's hard to read.

 

They drove with less capability. Same question as “how did folks fly before airplanes?”. They flew just fine, but the landings were a bitch.

 

Manual transmission does offer a more pleasurable driving experience, imo.....but when you are really old, the MT won't be keeping you company....just saying.

 

This reminded me of my two favorite pilot jokes....

What is the ideal cockpit crew? A pilot and a dog. The pilot is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to bite the pilot in case he tries to touch anything.

And...

A burly good 'ol boy Texan on a flight flags down a steward and says, "Captain, I want a drink but I don't see the stewardess around".
The steward answers, "Actually I'm not the captain. This airline is proud to have integrated many of the traditional male-female roles of the industry. I'd be happy to get you a drink".
Passenger: "Wow, what does the captain think of that?"
Steward: "She's all for it, in fact, the entire flight crew is female."
Passenger: "I don't believe it!! Take me up to the cockpit so I can see for myself!"
Steward: "Actually sir, we don't call it that anymore."

 

I’m just joking with you lol

 

I'm planning on getting a beat up old work truck that is stuck just to satisfy my need to shift. Haha

 

now I know how to fish tail

 

No one is advocating you do something you're not comfortable with.

In a similar manner, they were just not able to control individual wheels via the ABS system.

I agree, I think the auto is a more capable vehicle...but I still might buy a manual trans! They're so fun!

It's in the description: "Crawl Control...System controls braking to each wheel and throttle to attempt to maintain desired speed..."

But you are correct - I deduced that it keeps the rear from coming around, based on viewing the system in action. Toyota does not specifically articulate that it performs that function.

You can get a good view of the system working in this video. Simply putting the vehicle in 1st gear would not supply the level of control that the Crawl system is performing.

 

She won't leave you if you buy a manual, I bought mine over 3 years ago; my wife wasn't happy then and still to this day she refuses to drive it. Which in my opinion is a great thing, I don't like her driving my taco, I like driving my taco. She can stick to her Corolla.

 

4LO+1st gear engine braking and a little bit of brakes would accomplish that no problem.

 

Agreed. You could negotiate the same terrain with a manual trans.

 

Off road racing, 6 Speed Sequential Shift Manual Transmission so the driver doesn’t have to think a lot going 100mph

Neither an Auto or true Manual Trans

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JXMyZ929lpY

 

Normally when doing a steep downhill in 4Lo I'm not using throttle anyways. Lots of feathering clutch and break until it can fully engage granny gear with engine breaking. Unless there is a rock in which case I'll use throttle to go over the obstacle. So I'll add that yes, 4x4 1Lo going downhill achieves what CC provides to the auto, if not better because of lower gearing and an experienced operator.