Manual vs auto transmission realiabilty.

What is realiabilty?

 

I will say, every time I look at the Marlin Crawler video, I do daydream about putting a dual case in there and crawling up rocks. That would be a fun truck.

Then, I snap back into reality and come to terms with the fact those type of trips will happen once in every 5 years. If that...

 

I always get a kick out of these MT vs AT threads, especially comments about wives and kids. I drive a 3rd Gen automatic. My wife drives - and yes commutes in rush hour traffic - an MT Volkswagen. Our daughter has my wife’s previous MT Volkswagen. In fact, before we gave her the VW w offered her my old T100 and she turned it down, due to being an AT. Our son can also drive a stick but currently owns an AT. BTW, we got the current 2015 VW Golf used, a lease return, and the salesman said it just sat on the lot as no one wants that kind of car (not a GTI, not a Diesel) with an MT. I think I got a great deal. I know it’s apples and oranges, but that Golf 1.8T pulls hills in top gear (5th), getting 35 mpg, that my 3.5 V6 Taco downshifts to 4th or even 3rd for, and gets 12 mpg on.

 

Shhhhhh! Driving a MT is just below the competency required to pilot a space shuttle . I agree these threads are entertaining as hell.

 

Except the The MT is $1-2k cheaper to purchase upfront. And the Scenario you described is for somebody that is absolutely terrible at driving MT vehicles. I'm sure most people that purchase modern MT vehicles know what they are looking for which means they know how to drive MTs which means they know how to take care of their clutch. Clutches can also be simple enough to replace by yourself which saves you on labor costs and most vehicles will not need more than one replacement. How much do AT rebuilds usually my go for? $3-4K or 4-8k for a replacement.

 

Here's a tip for teaching people how to drive MTs. Get on a slight grade and have them take the wheel. Have them learn how to hold the vehicle in position with no gas and no brake using just the clutch. Then have them move forward and backward again using only the clutch. This way they learn about the sweet spot and everything after that is gravy. I taught 5 girls to drive stick this way and sold the truck ('93 Mazda B2200) with 230k and the original clutch.

 

Epiphany! It's not that younger people today can't drive manuals. It's that they just can't drive period

 

This was how I learned...but with a 1988 s10 with no power steering in 2002. I thank God my old man made me learn the hard way first. Everything after that is cake.

 

So to summarize, all the men in your family drive AT, while all the women drive MT...

 

Well said and good points both. If I had to drive in daily stop and go, I'd probably have less fun.

 

You forgot "Hopping in the family AT vehicle and doing a brake-stand when you try to push the clutch [brake] to the floor."

It's been one of the most satisfying things I've ever done in my life teaching my daughter to drive my truck. She kicked ass!! I can't wait to teach the others. I think it's a great thing for this generation to put down the phone and hop in a vehicle that doesn't do everything for them. I'm sorry your experience was so different. That's truly sad to me.

 

I've owned quite a few trucks, Jeeps and other SUV's going back to the 70's. Nine were manuals, 8 have been auto's. At one time MT's were more rugged and fuel efficient. That is no longer the case. I think an auto is better for towing. Off road a manual is better for downhill sections, an automatic better for uphill climbs. You'll spend money to have fluids changed in both and a MT will eventually need a clutch so the cost to operate is about the same if you keep both long enough. An automatic costs more initially, but will sell for more down the road so cost is a wash.

It comes down to whether or not you think a manual is more fun to drive. At times I enjoy getting behind the wheel and stirring a stick. But other than just being fun to drive a manual no longer offers any advantages. But having fun is important to a lot of people.

 

If they were geared even CLOSE to the same I'd agree. But the MT Taco is way lower than the AT Taco, so there's actually pros and cons to having one. I tow a lot, so the lower gearing is ideal. It's not ideal for highway trips at 75mph.

Now, if they were geared EXACTLY the same, the manual would have zero advantages and you'd be correct... it would simply be fun factor.

But the post is reliability, and I'm not sure there's much of a difference there.

 

spoken by someone who has never used a clutch kick in his life


I have a auto tacoma..but dont try and say a auto can do "everything a manual can"..

tell me how you get a turbo to spool when in the middle of a drift and the engine starts to bog on an auto..its gonna downshift and you run outta gear. with a clutch you can kick it and get the engine back into boost. that one small example, but there are plenty of things an auto cant do..

in the case of the taco..theres not much benefit to the manual besides easier burnouts

 

It's all in the gearing. Toyota put numerically higher gears in the 6MT so that actually makes it better for towing since you are running higher RPMs = more power at the cost of fuel economy. Toyota could have put the same gears from AT in a different 6MT if they wanted too.

 

Good man. The 'hard way' is how I plan to teach my daughter. Hopefully the '04 will still be around when she's learning to drive. After learning on something with a heavy clutch and worn gears, everything else is a breeze.

 

When I was selling my 6spd manual most people were desiring a auto. I agree the manual is a better choice for towing but now I'm loving the auto for ease of driving and no chirp chirp