Middle Of night insomnia

Rakso · Sep 25, 2018

knucklehed said: ↑

This. I started taking 250mg, then 500mg, jumped to 3k, now I'm taking 5k. It's just so damn expensive! I was hoping for a cheaper alternative as I use it almost primarily for a sleep aid.
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THC

Panhill · Sep 25, 2018

Look into ambien as well, you will have to get it prescribed by a doctor but it will help you sleep.

Ostrichsak · Sep 25, 2018

Panhill said: ↑

Look into ambien as well, you will have to get it prescribed by a doctor but it will help you sleep.
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You couldn't pay me to take that stuff. Too many potential side effects that can include doing a murder. A buddy of mine takes that stuff and has done some weird yet innocent stuff while on it. One time he ordered about $300 worth of AA batteries while on it and had them arrive at his doorstep a week or so later unexpected. That's funny but I've heard of super sketchy crap happening too. Hard pass.

PackCon · Sep 25, 2018

Ostrichsak said: ↑

You couldn't pay me to take that stuff. Too many potential side effects that can include doing a murder. A buddy of mine takes that stuff and has done some weird yet innocent stuff while on it. One time he ordered about $300 worth of AA batteries while on it and had them arrive at his doorstep a week or so later unexpected. That's funny but I've heard of super sketchy crap happening too. Hard pass.
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Ostrichsak said: ↑

A few things here regarding insomnia....

I saw you mentioned melatonin and I won't harp on it too much since you're doing so under the direction and guidance of a medical doctor but there's a real issue with the # of people who are taking it regularly. Melatonin is a hormone that is produced within the body and if you introduce it exogenously as a pro-hormone & continue to do so you will cause your body to decrease the amount it produces naturally... possibly permanently if you do so for too long. I'm sure you can see where this could be an issue especially when you look at how many people just take it every single night before bed and have done so for years. Who knows what other issues they could be causing as a direct result of melatonin supplementation. The dosage people take also tends to be very high when compared to how little your body needs to have a noticeable affect. In short, I'm not a fan of taking melatonin.

What I am a fan of is making sure you are getting the nutrients and minerals that your body needs to do things properly. Most Americans tend to be deficient in plenty of these and I highly recommend taking a ZMA before bed as it supplements minerals (Zinc & Magnesium) that you are likely already deficient in anyway. This can also lead to issues with insomnia and taking a ZMA is not only healthy for lots of things but has been proven to help those with depleted levels get better sleep. Just don't be shocked if you have weird dreams from time to time as this can be an indication of REM sleep which many use as a reason to discontinue taking it since, to them, they think they're getting worse sleep caused by bad dreams when in reality the better sleep is what's actually causing the weird dreams. The best part of ZMA is that it's a mineral supplement rather than a pro-hormone sot here's no reason to fear taking it at recommended dosage long-term. There are dozens of manufacturers and most all are the same so finding the cheapest one is usually the best bet.

I saw a mention of alcohol earlier and this is a terrible thing to do for sleep. While it is a depressant that can help you feel tired as part of it's affects in the short term it's bad for sleep long term because once it's affects wear off (usually a few hours after consuming & falling asleep) your body will actually have a difficult time staying in a deep sleep and your sleep won't be very quality as your body produces lots of things to counteract the alcohol in your system and once the alcohol is gone it takes a bit for those things to settle back down again. So you may fall asleep faster but the sleep you get will actually be much worse than had you fallen asleep later for less time.

Speaking of things the body produces naturally.... Taurine. The funny part is that when people see that they think of energy drinks so they think it gives you energy. In reality it's the opposite. Your body produces small amounts of it naturally to help calm you. They use this stuff in energy drinks in order to lessen the uptake of the caffeine so that it doesn't spike as much which will also create less of a crash later. People see Taurine and think energy but what you should actually think is relaxation as that's what it actually does. You can also supplement a little of this before bed at the same time you take your ZMA and the two combined should help quite a bit.

Speaking of caffeine... if you take any at all at any point in the day... stop. Until you get your sleep back on track your body can be affected much later in the day even if you only had a little bit in the morning. Your body becomes use to the levels you drink quite rapidly and you will soon be up to an amount that you might not even feel in the morning but it's affects could remain with you well into the evening. To be safe, cut all caffeine until your sleep patters are back on track. Once you do that re-introduce it very very gradually and you'll likely be surprised by how little it takes to have an affect. The human body builds up a tolerance VERY rapidly and cycling off every three days or so is a good idea to reset the body's reaction to it.

If you lay in bed at night to watch TV I would recommend not doing that. Hang out in a living room, sitting room, theater or whatever room you have to chill in that isn't your bedroom. You can begin to train your body/mind to NOT fall asleep in your bedroom if you hang out there enough. Again, probably not something you'll need to do permanently but something to try. If I can't sleep I will get up and move out to the couch in the living room. There's an aquarium that has a quit pump that I find soothing that can help me sleep sometimes. I grew up with aquariums near my bed so that white noise may trigger something for me specifically but a constant white noise like that may help you too. Sometimes a change of venue throughout the night will help if you have various areas you can shift to and don't spend more than 30min awake at each location.

One last note I'll touch on is temperature. It's been scientifically proven that your body responds better to colder temperatures while you sleep. Often times what can happen is that your room may be a good temperature when you're first falling asleep (even a little cool) but as the night progresses the bodies inside the room can cause the temps to increase especially if you sleep with the doors closed. Your bed holding heat can have the same affect. This increase in temperatures will affect how deep you sleep and the quality of sleep that you get and this is a common cause of people waking up between 2:00-4:00am and not being able to get back to sleep. If this sounds familiar find a way to keep the temps lower throughout the night and you may notice a difference.

I've had my struggles over the years too and I was once someone who didn't sleep much at all. I didn't even try to though really. If I had a night where I didn't sleep I would usually feel fine the next day and wouldn't worry too much about it. I was also 300lbs and in terrible overall shape. I realized once I started getting into shape how much of a role sleep plays and I started going out of my way to get more & better sleep. This is where I found most of the above information and I've told a few people over the years who have all reported having success with this information so I thought I'd take a few minutes (thankfully I type fast... lol) to type up the info in case it helps anyone because not being able to sleep blows.

Good luck!

p.s. I'm not a doctor nor is just about anyone else online so everything you read should be taken with a grain of salt and you should research it yourself and consult a doctor before following any random internet dude's pro tips.
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Great overall advice for proper sleep hygiene. Thanks for taking the time to type it.

True about ambien. My doc was incredibly reluctant to give it to me.
As soon as I realised I was sleep walking and at one point almost attacked my SO in my sleep... I had a friend remove the guns from my house.
I can’t imagine what can happen while on a drug that prevents you from waking up.

Also apparently it causes people to take to Twitter and make horrific racial comments

Nailbender · Sep 26, 2018

I slept from 9:00pm to 4:45 am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel great. Did the lavender thing on the pillow and took one Advil PM. I feel so good after getting a good night sleep.
Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!! Going to try just sleeping tonight without taking a advil pm and see how that goes

Nailbender · Sep 26, 2018

Ostrichsak said: ↑

A few things here regarding insomnia....

I saw you mentioned melatonin and I won't harp on it too much since you're doing so under the direction and guidance of a medical doctor but there's a real issue with the # of people who are taking it regularly. Melatonin is a hormone that is produced within the body and if you introduce it exogenously as a pro-hormone & continue to do so you will cause your body to decrease the amount it produces naturally... possibly permanently if you do so for too long. I'm sure you can see where this could be an issue especially when you look at how many people just take it every single night before bed and have done so for years. Who knows what other issues they could be causing as a direct result of melatonin supplementation. The dosage people take also tends to be very high when compared to how little your body needs to have a noticeable affect. In short, I'm not a fan of taking melatonin.

What I am a fan of is making sure you are getting the nutrients and minerals that your body needs to do things properly. Most Americans tend to be deficient in plenty of these and I highly recommend taking a ZMA before bed as it supplements minerals (Zinc & Magnesium) that you are likely already deficient in anyway. This can also lead to issues with insomnia and taking a ZMA is not only healthy for lots of things but has been proven to help those with depleted levels get better sleep. Just don't be shocked if you have weird dreams from time to time as this can be an indication of REM sleep which many use as a reason to discontinue taking it since, to them, they think they're getting worse sleep caused by bad dreams when in reality the better sleep is what's actually causing the weird dreams. The best part of ZMA is that it's a mineral supplement rather than a pro-hormone sot here's no reason to fear taking it at recommended dosage long-term. There are dozens of manufacturers and most all are the same so finding the cheapest one is usually the best bet.

I saw a mention of alcohol earlier and this is a terrible thing to do for sleep. While it is a depressant that can help you feel tired as part of it's affects in the short term it's bad for sleep long term because once it's affects wear off (usually a few hours after consuming & falling asleep) your body will actually have a difficult time staying in a deep sleep and your sleep won't be very quality as your body produces lots of things to counteract the alcohol in your system and once the alcohol is gone it takes a bit for those things to settle back down again. So you may fall asleep faster but the sleep you get will actually be much worse than had you fallen asleep later for less time.

Speaking of things the body produces naturally.... Taurine. The funny part is that when people see that they think of energy drinks so they think it gives you energy. In reality it's the opposite. Your body produces small amounts of it naturally to help calm you. They use this stuff in energy drinks in order to lessen the uptake of the caffeine so that it doesn't spike as much which will also create less of a crash later. People see Taurine and think energy but what you should actually think is relaxation as that's what it actually does. You can also supplement a little of this before bed at the same time you take your ZMA and the two combined should help quite a bit.

Speaking of caffeine... if you take any at all at any point in the day... stop. Until you get your sleep back on track your body can be affected much later in the day even if you only had a little bit in the morning. Your body becomes use to the levels you drink quite rapidly and you will soon be up to an amount that you might not even feel in the morning but it's affects could remain with you well into the evening. To be safe, cut all caffeine until your sleep patters are back on track. Once you do that re-introduce it very very gradually and you'll likely be surprised by how little it takes to have an affect. The human body builds up a tolerance VERY rapidly and cycling off every three days or so is a good idea to reset the body's reaction to it.

If you lay in bed at night to watch TV I would recommend not doing that. Hang out in a living room, sitting room, theater or whatever room you have to chill in that isn't your bedroom. You can begin to train your body/mind to NOT fall asleep in your bedroom if you hang out there enough. Again, probably not something you'll need to do permanently but something to try. If I can't sleep I will get up and move out to the couch in the living room. There's an aquarium that has a quit pump that I find soothing that can help me sleep sometimes. I grew up with aquariums near my bed so that white noise may trigger something for me specifically but a constant white noise like that may help you too. Sometimes a change of venue throughout the night will help if you have various areas you can shift to and don't spend more than 30min awake at each location.

One last note I'll touch on is temperature. It's been scientifically proven that your body responds better to colder temperatures while you sleep. Often times what can happen is that your room may be a good temperature when you're first falling asleep (even a little cool) but as the night progresses the bodies inside the room can cause the temps to increase especially if you sleep with the doors closed. Your bed holding heat can have the same affect. This increase in temperatures will affect how deep you sleep and the quality of sleep that you get and this is a common cause of people waking up between 2:00-4:00am and not being able to get back to sleep. If this sounds familiar find a way to keep the temps lower throughout the night and you may notice a difference.

I've had my struggles over the years too and I was once someone who didn't sleep much at all. I didn't even try to though really. If I had a night where I didn't sleep I would usually feel fine the next day and wouldn't worry too much about it. I was also 300lbs and in terrible overall shape. I realized once I started getting into shape how much of a role sleep plays and I started going out of my way to get more & better sleep. This is where I found most of the above information and I've told a few people over the years who have all reported having success with this information so I thought I'd take a few minutes (thankfully I type fast... lol) to type up the info in case it helps anyone because not being able to sleep blows.

Good luck!

p.s. I'm not a doctor nor is just about anyone else online so everything you read should be taken with a grain of salt and you should research it yourself and consult a doctor before following any random internet dude's pro tips.
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Wow good read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank-you for the information. I have been doing much of this over the past few years. Sleep maintenance... I have never heard of ZMA but i will look into it. again thank-you for your time and advice.

Nailbender · Sep 26, 2018

knucklehed said: ↑

Funny, I just recently tried melatonin (10mg) after suffering bouts of insomnia much like you're describing. I woke up pretty groggy, felt much like a hangover. It wasnt a pleasant addition to my morning routine
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I did the 10 mg two nights in a row and same thing felt so tired the next day till about 3:00pm in the afternoon. I wont be taking that anymore. Doesn't work for me. The lavender and Advil PM work last night. Will have to see how it does Sunday night because those seam to be my worst sleep nights.

Mitch76 · Sep 26, 2018

I agree with the lavender in the diffuser. Have been using it for a while and i dont sleep as good or fall asleep as fast when we dont have one on. Also, i have to read to go to sleep but it can backfire if its a really good book. Ill get real into it and lose track of time and end up staying up too late. I also dont even look at my phone or tablet an hour before bed.

ColoradoTJ · Sep 26, 2018

Ostrichsak said: ↑

A few things here regarding insomnia....

I saw you mentioned melatonin and I won't harp on it too much since you're doing so under the direction and guidance of a medical doctor but there's a real issue with the # of people who are taking it regularly. Melatonin is a hormone that is produced within the body and if you introduce it exogenously as a pro-hormone & continue to do so you will cause your body to decrease the amount it produces naturally... possibly permanently if you do so for too long. I'm sure you can see where this could be an issue especially when you look at how many people just take it every single night before bed and have done so for years. Who knows what other issues they could be causing as a direct result of melatonin supplementation. The dosage people take also tends to be very high when compared to how little your body needs to have a noticeable affect. In short, I'm not a fan of taking melatonin.

What I am a fan of is making sure you are getting the nutrients and minerals that your body needs to do things properly. Most Americans tend to be deficient in plenty of these and I highly recommend taking a ZMA before bed as it supplements minerals (Zinc & Magnesium) that you are likely already deficient in anyway. This can also lead to issues with insomnia and taking a ZMA is not only healthy for lots of things but has been proven to help those with depleted levels get better sleep. Just don't be shocked if you have weird dreams from time to time as this can be an indication of REM sleep which many use as a reason to discontinue taking it since, to them, they think they're getting worse sleep caused by bad dreams when in reality the better sleep is what's actually causing the weird dreams. The best part of ZMA is that it's a mineral supplement rather than a pro-hormone sot here's no reason to fear taking it at recommended dosage long-term. There are dozens of manufacturers and most all are the same so finding the cheapest one is usually the best bet.

I saw a mention of alcohol earlier and this is a terrible thing to do for sleep. While it is a depressant that can help you feel tired as part of it's affects in the short term it's bad for sleep long term because once it's affects wear off (usually a few hours after consuming & falling asleep) your body will actually have a difficult time staying in a deep sleep and your sleep won't be very quality as your body produces lots of things to counteract the alcohol in your system and once the alcohol is gone it takes a bit for those things to settle back down again. So you may fall asleep faster but the sleep you get will actually be much worse than had you fallen asleep later for less time.

Speaking of things the body produces naturally.... Taurine. The funny part is that when people see that they think of energy drinks so they think it gives you energy. In reality it's the opposite. Your body produces small amounts of it naturally to help calm you. They use this stuff in energy drinks in order to lessen the uptake of the caffeine so that it doesn't spike as much which will also create less of a crash later. People see Taurine and think energy but what you should actually think is relaxation as that's what it actually does. You can also supplement a little of this before bed at the same time you take your ZMA and the two combined should help quite a bit.

Speaking of caffeine... if you take any at all at any point in the day... stop. Until you get your sleep back on track your body can be affected much later in the day even if you only had a little bit in the morning. Your body becomes use to the levels you drink quite rapidly and you will soon be up to an amount that you might not even feel in the morning but it's affects could remain with you well into the evening. To be safe, cut all caffeine until your sleep patters are back on track. Once you do that re-introduce it very very gradually and you'll likely be surprised by how little it takes to have an affect. The human body builds up a tolerance VERY rapidly and cycling off every three days or so is a good idea to reset the body's reaction to it.

If you lay in bed at night to watch TV I would recommend not doing that. Hang out in a living room, sitting room, theater or whatever room you have to chill in that isn't your bedroom. You can begin to train your body/mind to NOT fall asleep in your bedroom if you hang out there enough. Again, probably not something you'll need to do permanently but something to try. If I can't sleep I will get up and move out to the couch in the living room. There's an aquarium that has a quit pump that I find soothing that can help me sleep sometimes. I grew up with aquariums near my bed so that white noise may trigger something for me specifically but a constant white noise like that may help you too. Sometimes a change of venue throughout the night will help if you have various areas you can shift to and don't spend more than 30min awake at each location.

One last note I'll touch on is temperature. It's been scientifically proven that your body responds better to colder temperatures while you sleep. Often times what can happen is that your room may be a good temperature when you're first falling asleep (even a little cool) but as the night progresses the bodies inside the room can cause the temps to increase especially if you sleep with the doors closed. Your bed holding heat can have the same affect. This increase in temperatures will affect how deep you sleep and the quality of sleep that you get and this is a common cause of people waking up between 2:00-4:00am and not being able to get back to sleep. If this sounds familiar find a way to keep the temps lower throughout the night and you may notice a difference.

I've had my struggles over the years too and I was once someone who didn't sleep much at all. I didn't even try to though really. If I had a night where I didn't sleep I would usually feel fine the next day and wouldn't worry too much about it. I was also 300lbs and in terrible overall shape. I realized once I started getting into shape how much of a role sleep plays and I started going out of my way to get more & better sleep. This is where I found most of the above information and I've told a few people over the years who have all reported having success with this information so I thought I'd take a few minutes (thankfully I type fast... lol) to type up the info in case it helps anyone because not being able to sleep blows.

Good luck!

p.s. I'm not a doctor nor is just about anyone else online so everything you read should be taken with a grain of salt and you should research it yourself and consult a doctor before following any random internet dude's pro tips.
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Great information! ZMA will be the first thing I purchase on Friday.

Caffeine is probably my issue. Love my coffee.

ColoradoTJ · Sep 26, 2018

A family friend was a high level executive for a medical company, a very stressful job.

I had no idea, but this has hospitalized her several times. This also cost her a marriage, her health is pretty much gone for how young she is. Pretty sad what stress can do.

She had the same thing happen on Sunday nights. Pretty much kept herself up thinking about work and stressing about the week before it even started.

After her divorce, she quit her job, sold everything, purchased a small cabin in the mountains. She now works 25-35 hours per week counseling teens on drug addiction/prevention.

PackCon · Sep 26, 2018

Nailbender[OP] said: ↑

Wow good read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank-you for the information. I have been doing much of this over the past few years. Sleep maintenance... I have never heard of ZMA but i will look into it. again thank-you for your time and advice.
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Read the reviews on ZMA on Amazon. Like read through a couple pages...

ZMA can cause lucid dreaming. Its hysterical to read some peoples comments.

I forgot about this suppliment and might try.

Ostrichsak · Sep 26, 2018

Nailbender[OP] said: ↑

Wow good read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank-you for the information. I have been doing much of this over the past few years. Sleep maintenance... I have never heard of ZMA but i will look into it. again thank-you for your time and advice.
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Sure thing. ZMA is pretty amazing IMO and even if it doesn't help you sleep I would put a large sum of money on you being deficient in Zinc, Magnesium or both anyway so it can't hurt and it's really inexpensive. Just look at a list of the possible symptoms in being deficient in either one and you likely exhibit some of them including sleep issues which we already know of.

Nailbender[OP] said: ↑

I did the 10 mg two nights in a row and same thing felt so tired the next day till about 3:00pm in the afternoon. I wont be taking that anymore. Doesn't work for me. The lavender and Advil PM work last night. Will have to see how it does Sunday night because those seam to be my worst sleep nights.
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The fact that Melatonin did nothing for you leads me to believe your issue wasn't a lack of naturally produced Melatonin since supplementing it at a very high rate (compared to what your body naturally makes) had no affect on you. Often times this massive amount can be enough to help people sleep so they think it's the answer, especially when they don't know that taking it regularly can result in bad things long term. At best it's a band-aid fix for what the real issue is and as real consequences for long term use.

ColoradoTJ said: ↑

Great information! ZMA will be the first thing I purchase on Friday.

Caffeine is probably my issue. Love my coffee.
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If sleep issues plague you caffeine at any amount at any time of the day is the enemy. Until you can get consistent quality sleep you should avoid it entirely. I know it seems like it wears off pretty quick if you just have some in the morning but the affects you don't feel that manifest in the form of poor sleep, etc. can last over 24hrs. This is why I say you should temporarily stop consuming caffeine in any form until the sleep thing is sorted. Once healthy sleep patterns are realized you can then experiment with adding it back in in much smaller doses than you currently consume.

PackCon said: ↑

Read the reviews on ZMA on Amazon. Like read through a couple pages...

ZMA can cause lucid dreaming. Its hysterical to read some peoples comments.

I forgot about this suppliment and might try.
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That's why I made it a point to mention it since some people see that as a bad sign but without any other information. When you study REM sleep and sleep patterns it's probably more of a positive sign than a negative one however.

PackCon · Oct 11, 2018

As I’ve previously stated I’ve had problem with stress, anxiety, insomnia, and my BP is not where a 27 year old athletes BP should be.

I have always been a coffee drinker. Consume on average 7-10 cups per day and I also drink a lot of tea.

I recently forced myself to only drink two cups per day and no more.
The first week sucked. I was really tired and fatigued. I’m a little over two weeks in and I feel a million times better. Anxiety is much better, focus is better, sleep is better, less fatigue, mood improved etc.

My sleeping is much better.

Blue92 · Oct 11, 2018

I had it alot last year. Ultimately what got me over it was just accepting the fate of not getting more than 4 hours of sleep a night when it happened. Getting anxious over not sleeping is the main issue for me. If I was awake at 1:30 and not asleep by 2:30, it was movie/homework time. Going to bed earlier, or not drinking caffeine did nothing to help it. Just stop worrying about not getting sleep and the problem should subside. Laying in bed and staring at the ceiling, and getting mad at yourself only makes the issue worse. I do take 5mg melatonin on Sunday nights though, usually because I stay up late on Friday or Saturday night, and I have to get back to going to sleep at 10 or so during the week.

dlopan · Oct 14, 2018

I have been on Ambien-cr for a long time. No side effects but they can happen to anyone.
Can have more side effects if you are on other meds. So watch for that.
If you live in a medical MJ state use that. Melatonin works for 1 hour on me so no on that. Don't drink any coffee or much tea. No sugar except for an occasional double chocolate cookie. Mostly 2% milk or water.
I haven't heard of lavender oil at night. I'll try that if I can find some.

Ostrichsak · Oct 15, 2018

Ostrichsak said: ↑

A few things here regarding insomnia....

I saw you mentioned melatonin and I won't harp on it too much since you're doing so under the direction and guidance of a medical doctor but there's a real issue with the # of people who are taking it regularly. Melatonin is a hormone that is produced within the body and if you introduce it exogenously as a pro-hormone & continue to do so you will cause your body to decrease the amount it produces naturally... possibly permanently if you do so for too long. I'm sure you can see where this could be an issue especially when you look at how many people just take it every single night before bed and have done so for years. Who knows what other issues they could be causing as a direct result of melatonin supplementation. The dosage people take also tends to be very high when compared to how little your body needs to have a noticeable affect. In short, I'm not a fan of taking melatonin.

What I am a fan of is making sure you are getting the nutrients and minerals that your body needs to do things properly. Most Americans tend to be deficient in plenty of these and I highly recommend taking a ZMA before bed as it supplements minerals (Zinc & Magnesium) that you are likely already deficient in anyway. This can also lead to issues with insomnia and taking a ZMA is not only healthy for lots of things but has been proven to help those with depleted levels get better sleep. Just don't be shocked if you have weird dreams from time to time as this can be an indication of REM sleep which many use as a reason to discontinue taking it since, to them, they think they're getting worse sleep caused by bad dreams when in reality the better sleep is what's actually causing the weird dreams. The best part of ZMA is that it's a mineral supplement rather than a pro-hormone sot here's no reason to fear taking it at recommended dosage long-term. There are dozens of manufacturers and most all are the same so finding the cheapest one is usually the best bet.

I saw a mention of alcohol earlier and this is a terrible thing to do for sleep. While it is a depressant that can help you feel tired as part of it's affects in the short term it's bad for sleep long term because once it's affects wear off (usually a few hours after consuming & falling asleep) your body will actually have a difficult time staying in a deep sleep and your sleep won't be very quality as your body produces lots of things to counteract the alcohol in your system and once the alcohol is gone it takes a bit for those things to settle back down again. So you may fall asleep faster but the sleep you get will actually be much worse than had you fallen asleep later for less time.

Speaking of things the body produces naturally.... Taurine. The funny part is that when people see that they think of energy drinks so they think it gives you energy. In reality it's the opposite. Your body produces small amounts of it naturally to help calm you. They use this stuff in energy drinks in order to lessen the uptake of the caffeine so that it doesn't spike as much which will also create less of a crash later. People see Taurine and think energy but what you should actually think is relaxation as that's what it actually does. You can also supplement a little of this before bed at the same time you take your ZMA and the two combined should help quite a bit.

Speaking of caffeine... if you take any at all at any point in the day... stop. Until you get your sleep back on track your body can be affected much later in the day even if you only had a little bit in the morning. Your body becomes use to the levels you drink quite rapidly and you will soon be up to an amount that you might not even feel in the morning but it's affects could remain with you well into the evening. To be safe, cut all caffeine until your sleep patters are back on track. Once you do that re-introduce it very very gradually and you'll likely be surprised by how little it takes to have an affect. The human body builds up a tolerance VERY rapidly and cycling off every three days or so is a good idea to reset the body's reaction to it.

If you lay in bed at night to watch TV I would recommend not doing that. Hang out in a living room, sitting room, theater or whatever room you have to chill in that isn't your bedroom. You can begin to train your body/mind to NOT fall asleep in your bedroom if you hang out there enough. Again, probably not something you'll need to do permanently but something to try. If I can't sleep I will get up and move out to the couch in the living room. There's an aquarium that has a quit pump that I find soothing that can help me sleep sometimes. I grew up with aquariums near my bed so that white noise may trigger something for me specifically but a constant white noise like that may help you too. Sometimes a change of venue throughout the night will help if you have various areas you can shift to and don't spend more than 30min awake at each location.

One last note I'll touch on is temperature. It's been scientifically proven that your body responds better to colder temperatures while you sleep. Often times what can happen is that your room may be a good temperature when you're first falling asleep (even a little cool) but as the night progresses the bodies inside the room can cause the temps to increase especially if you sleep with the doors closed. Your bed holding heat can have the same affect. This increase in temperatures will affect how deep you sleep and the quality of sleep that you get and this is a common cause of people waking up between 2:00-4:00am and not being able to get back to sleep. If this sounds familiar find a way to keep the temps lower throughout the night and you may notice a difference.

I've had my struggles over the years too and I was once someone who didn't sleep much at all. I didn't even try to though really. If I had a night where I didn't sleep I would usually feel fine the next day and wouldn't worry too much about it. I was also 300lbs and in terrible overall shape. I realized once I started getting into shape how much of a role sleep plays and I started going out of my way to get more & better sleep. This is where I found most of the above information and I've told a few people over the years who have all reported having success with this information so I thought I'd take a few minutes (thankfully I type fast... lol) to type up the info in case it helps anyone because not being able to sleep blows.

Good luck!

p.s. I'm not a doctor nor is just about anyone else online so everything you read should be taken with a grain of salt and you should research it yourself and consult a doctor before following any random internet dude's pro tips.
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..one other note that I think I forgot to mention: Diet. If you are on a low or no carb diet this can wreck your sleep patters. The body needs carbs closer to bed for sleep so if you are on low-carb or intermittent fasting or both try to get your carb intake closer to bed rather than earlier in the day. Forgot about that one in this word wall. lol

toyotatacomaTRD · Oct 15, 2018

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You couldn't pay me to take that stuff. Too many potential side effects that can include doing a murder. A buddy of mine takes that stuff and has done some weird yet innocent stuff while on it. One time he ordered about $300 worth of AA batteries while on it and had them arrive at his doorstep a week or so later unexpected. That's funny but I've heard of super sketchy crap happening too. Hard pass.
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My friend would take Ambien, then drink pop and eat candy all night playing video games. He literally had no idea he was doing it. His wife figured it out because he was stuffing all the garbage in one of the built ins under the TV. They put up a camera to watch so they could figure what was happening. He assumed he went to bed and slept for 8 hours. In reality, he was only sleeping 1 1/2 to 2 hours a night. Crazy stuff.

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