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moderate lift questions

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by pokeng, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Oct 16, 2009 at 1:26 PM
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    pokeng

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    Considering options for a moderate lift (< 3", more like 2" to hopefully keep stock UCA's within alignment specs) without using 5100's to get better quality ride for my daily driver. Goal is simply to fix the rake (after TSB) and get a better stance. I've abused the TW search feature, but keep coming back to some questions that I can't find a straight answer. Hopefully someone can answer (I'm sure chris4x4 and jdkeller are all over this one :cool:)...

    1. OME 884 are "not recommended" to be used with double cabs (mine) due to "sag" issues. I'm ok with an initial sag due to the extra cab weight (not looking for full 3" lift). Does this sag continue over time (i.e. creep) or does it settle in at say, 2" of lift and stay permanently? I've read older OME springs like the 881 seem to sag forever, thus the concern. If they don't continually creep, what final lift could one expect on a DC?

    2. Can the Eibach 1.6" springs be used with the small spacers to fix the taco lean? For that matter, can they be used with slightly bigger spacers to get closer to a 2" lift, like 3/8" on passenger and 5/8" on driver side? I do light off-roading, so small spacers may not be a big deal for me.

    Thanks in advance. :)
     
  2. Oct 16, 2009 at 1:33 PM
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    mjp2

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    Just curious here, but what's your bias against the 5100's?
     
  3. Oct 16, 2009 at 1:43 PM
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    my 5100's on stock springs served me well up to my current setup with the All Pro LT kit..i had them set to the max lift in the front, performance and feel was greatly improved over the stock setup. plus, they are a great value!! Sonny from DownSouthMotorSports.com can prolly hook you up on a great deal..and his customer service is highly praised as outstanding

    on 5100's in the front and TSB leafs in the rear in this pic...
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  4. Oct 16, 2009 at 1:44 PM
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    No bias. Just have read some concerns/complaints about ride quality at the 1.75 and 2.5 settings. Thought it would be worthwhile to spend a few bucks more for new coils. If I end up with Eibach's, prolly will still get the 5100's.
     
  5. Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM
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    Cool. Just wanted to see if it was a budget thing. Didn't want to see you overlook an option that could be had for $100 used if you time it right.

    I'm sure someone will jump in with suggestions soon. :)
     
  6. Oct 16, 2009 at 1:59 PM
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    I have the Eibach, Nice ride. happy with them. If I could do over would go with 5100's
     
  7. Oct 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM
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    Interesting. Why do you now favor the Billy's?
     
  8. Oct 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM
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    Self-serving bump.
     
  9. Oct 18, 2009 at 7:16 PM
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    I just made a move for the same reason, except.. I over shot it by 1 inch. Now, I will have to add the TSB AAL from Toytec to fix it. I put the 886 coils up front with the spacers.. that being said, measure the height of the front fender and rear fender.. I had three inches of difference before starting on mine. if you have 3 inches of difference, buy the 885 coils with no spacer, install and align.. your done.

    Firestone got mine aligned after a 3+" lift on the front with a TSB back.. Stock UCAs. Don't do the 884s, just go 885 with NO Spacers.. My 2 Cents. Look at my photo's if you want to see the end result.

    Edit: I glanced at what you have, sounds like you have the same thing I do.. 4x4 DC TRD OR, after the TSB back end the "plow" effect was too much.
     
  10. Oct 18, 2009 at 8:17 PM
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    Based on what I've read on TW, 885's w/o spacers usually gives 2.5"-2.75" of lift. I've got 1-5/8" rake now w/o the TSB, and am thinking that should increase to about 2-5/8" after getting the TSB. I was hoping to get closer to 2" in the front to have a little rake when all done, so that's why I'm considering the 884's and Eibachs. I prolly just need to suck it up and get the Toytec adjustable coils and remove all doubt.
     
  11. Oct 19, 2009 at 5:33 AM
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    Do it right the first time, if you have doubt now.............. if it isn't right, it will annoy you. 5100's at 1.75 is another good option.
     
  12. Oct 19, 2009 at 5:38 AM
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    If your looking for 2" lift, and no more, the 884's will serve you well.
     
  13. Oct 19, 2009 at 5:53 AM
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    Listen to Chris, he knows! He might smash his hand in the process of giving you one.. but... he knows!
     
  14. Oct 19, 2009 at 5:54 AM
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    LOL!! :eek:
     
  15. Oct 19, 2009 at 6:13 AM
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    No worries with losing that 2" over time?
     
  16. Oct 19, 2009 at 6:14 AM
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    No. Should be fine. Get the springs from Wheelers.
     
  17. Oct 19, 2009 at 6:21 AM
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    I don't see what the issue is with just going 2.5 on 5100s with the TRD coils. I have this setup with the Toytec spacer to cure the lean on driver side. This is my daily driver & it rides great, no harsh bouncing nothing. Out back still got the 3 leaf crap pack with Toytec 1.5 AAL. Sits just shy of level, little over inch higher in back. No load issues, no vibration, no alignment issues & no crappy ride for daily driving.
     
  18. Oct 19, 2009 at 6:24 AM
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    The 884's will ride better than the preloaded OEM springs on the 5100 shocks.
     
  19. Oct 19, 2009 at 6:27 AM
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    Damn, if it rode any better than it does now I'd be ridin in a buick or caddy or some other cushy floaty land yacht type thing. Si, es muy chinanigantastico! Off road I could see it being better not being preloaded tho.
     
  20. Oct 19, 2009 at 8:11 AM
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    source: http://www.tacoma-upgrade.com/2009/...an-emu-spring-rates-and-lift-height.html#more

    Here are the specs from ARB, including length, spring rate and expected lift.

    The 884 and 885 run the same rate at 590lbs/in with the 886 coils bumped to 660 lbs/in. Length is as follows:

    OME884 390mm, 590lbs/in, 1 inch of lift
    OME885 395mm, 590lb/in, 1.5 to 2 inches of lift
    OME886 402mm, 660lbs/in, 2.5-3+ inches of lift
    Factor TRD Tacoma springs, 14 inches long, 540lbs/in, 0 lift

    These springs should only be run with the OME N140S shock; the factory Tokico and Bilstein units will not last with these springs due to their increased spring rate and length. The 886 springs are only recommended for trucks with heavy front bumpers and armor (skid plates).
     
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