Most reliable pickups of the last decade.

Quoting anything from "Carbuzz" = LOL.

 

Yes some very good points. On top of that, the Tacoma probably ranks poorly in terms of being a truck, while it simultaneously ranks great at having one of the most reliable powertrain combos ever (1GRFE engine + A750 trans). (and technically the 4runner had the same powertrain so the glory is not fully enjoyed by the Tacoma)

Basically any modern full size half ton can haul more, tow more, gets better MPG, seats more comfortably for long rides, and has better tool storage than a Tacoma. Most peopel surveyed would say these are all things a Truck should do well.

So us Tacoma owners are a bit delusional in our little world, but it's cool.

 

WAT?!

Point to exactly where, in this entire thread, the pivot was made from "most reliable pickup truck" to "most reliable American-made pickup truck". Red herring, off-base.

WAT?!

"on the longevity list.." on WHAT longevity list? There are at least 20 different lists, mostly from clickbait sites, visible on a cursory google search. I spent 10 mins searching and STILL couldn't find even a single list that looks credible, with transparency into their methodology. And I did find several lists where Tacomas are ranked in the top 3, including iSeeCars. Point is, the cost/effort of doing such studies is very high, and the incentive to tilt the results for marketing reasons is extremely high.

IMO the best indicator of actual real-world reliability over the long-term is probably measured most obectively by comparing depreciation curves (from new vehicle to +5 years, +10 years, +15 years old) across different makes/models. By that metric, obviously Tacomas are very highly valued indeed.

And we sure know it isn't for their massive horsepower, plush interiors, and dreamy luxury ride quality. That pretty much leaves one very important metric supporting their high long-term resale value: reliability.

 

Bro u needs to respect tha brand moar

Tacoma used-vehicle depreciation curve probably kicks ass and is in the top 3 across all similar-sized trucks of the past 25+ years. I don't have a website that shows this, maybe its out there somewhre and someone can dig it up.

(Some version of a KBB and/or Edmunds site that shows the rate of depreciation over time across multiple makes/models.)

 

Yes you are correct, but consider that many people merely need a truck and could not care less about long term value of the vehicle.

Just like some people would buy gold to spend it, rather than to hold onto it as a storage of value.


Tacomas are for people who are making a loooong commitment to something; Fords and Rams are for people who can't help but upgrade every 3-5 years to the newest big dumb thing with huge tires.

 

Click bait is real

 

When the thread pivoted to what do Europeans know about American vehicles. The point I was trying to make is while the Tacoma is an American market truck the truck doesn’t score highly in “American”. The article is for the American market lol. You see a hilux anywhere on that list?

Vaild point. Ask 10 different people to make a list and you’ll likely get 10 different responses.

There is certainly bias in the scoring methods used for rankings. How is Tom ranking the Tacoma as #2 at motortrend but bill is ranking the Tacoma as #6 at car and driver. Not literally, figuratively.

Statistically, longevity rankings should be based on annual vehicle registration or annual insurance renewals. Years in service and reported mileage. Doesn’t do shit for reliability but does give you an idea as to the average lifespan and mileage of a vehicle before it is decommissioned. This is information that is available to review and how some of these companies are basing rankings. All of them? definitely not.

Now, regarding the article, the anverage American vehicle ownership is for 5 years. Most likely why this list is referring to the last “decade”. How many recalls and unnecessary repairs did qualifying vehicles accumulate.

Not how you or I or any of us score or consider longevity. Is it certainly a factor in “reliability”? Yes.

For older vehicles longevity and reliability is also biased. Vehicle maintenance, usage, etc, all play a factor into how long the vehicle last. I may “treat” my vehicles better than you and vice versus, that’s why they do averages and not use exceptions for the rule.

As I said previously, yes the 2nd gen is documented to have exceptional longevity but to say that is the case for every single Tacoma out there is not even remotely factual.

Are they really though? This is what everyone says about Toyotas, not just tacomas. They hold their resale value. Really? This is actually something I’ve been curious of for ever and to be honest haven’t been movies enough to browse statistical data to find out.

You buy a Tacoma w/50k miles on it for 30k.
I buy a frontier w/50k miles on it for 25k.

We both put on equal number of miles and both have identical service records and appearance upkeep. We both decide to sell our trucks. Both now have 150k on them.

You get 20k for the Tacoma and I get 15k for the frontier.

Sure you sold it for more but you also paid more. We both loss 10k in equity. Does that equate to more value, more return on equity?

Like I said in my previous post, it’s a dumb list regarding longevity. The typical commuter is not putting on 200k+ miles in less than 10 years. Longevity should equate to a long time frame, hence the long in longevity.

I get it, you love your Tacoma as do all of us.

 

The point of using resale value as an indicator is not around the vehicle being an investment. It's simply showing that people value them a bit more, and the main reason they have for valuing them more is the reliability and longevity.

People don't typically choose a Toyota because they think, "I'm going to buy this because I'm going to sell it in 3 years and it will be worth more." They typically go with Toyota because they personally value reliability over features and/or a lower price.

I overheard some younger folks talking about car buying last week, talking about going to the various dealers and looking at small SUV's. They really wanted the RAV4, but the Mazda CX-5 was cheaper. They probably weren't looking for a long-term commitment and valued price/features more than longevity.

Anyway, this is all speculation without real data. A well-maintained, unabused vehicle from nearly any manufacturer will likely last a long time. But a Toyota will likely last longer under the same conditions, and nearly as long if poorly maintained our abused. And if you don't think so you can just shut your whore mouth.

 

Trying to wrap my head around this one. For this survey to have any validity, I would think you would be comparing vehicles of the same model year with each other.

 

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