Motorcycles BS Thread 2.0

Well, the 800GS also cost 3 grand more (~20%) than a T7 in 2018, the T7 generates it's own downforce with the swingarm design, and Pol Tarres didn't use the BMW to blow people's minds on a "heavy" bike. Yamaha is also more reliable than BMW, even if it's a reliable BMW it's still not a Yamaha.

 

I don't think Rally Raid completed the kit for my generation, so it'd have to be a pre 2022 version to do it. This should be a list, granted an older one, of the Rally Raid stuff. Keep in mind, this was all geared at the older bikes that had 17" wheels front and rear.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1xouubqqk43dwai/GL-RRP-Honda-Parts-Descriptions.pdf?e=1&dl=0

 

ah so it turns it into a street bike into a more light duty dirt capable one

 

Basically, but by all accounts it's all super high quality.... and more than light duty. This is the Rubicon Trail.

https://youtu.be/S7jpOMaGnps

 

Right, but what makes it a big dirtbike? Point to the feature lmao. It is 1.5" narrower than my F800GS, I'll give you that. Edit: Kind of on the only japanese adv bike? there was the wee-strom, but that was still more road focused I suppose. However, now with Honda's Transalp and the updated wee-stroms, it's getting spicy in that segment.

Yeah, I had mentioned the countersprocket position. Shifting it above the swingarm pivot was an absolute genius move and such a "duh" moment. And I wasn't comparing it to a new F800GS. I was comparing it to a 14 year old bike. A dinosaur is going toe to toe.

As a thought experiment: you could pick up a stock used F800GS for 5 grand all day, dump another 5 grand in, and what would the two bikes look like and perform like side by side?

Again, I'm in a poke the bear mood today, which is going to get worse because I just opened the first of expected several cutwater margaritas

 

Ah, so your argument is that buying used is better than buying new. Got it. That's a tale as old as time and it'll never be settled. Let's see where the T7 price is in 10 years so it's an apple to apple comparison.

 

Kind of? I'm saying if a used 14 year old bike is beating the new one in a SUPRISING amount of categories, what's the hype with the new?

Edit: and to be clear, I'm still team all bikes are good bikes haha

Edit 2: (Almost done with first marg..) Seriously though, is it just the crossplane 270 and the sprocket position that makes it such a beast? I'm failing to see what is justifying the hype.

 

It's also doing it all on stricter emissions. Give it emissions standards from 10 years ago and it'll eat the old bike's lunch.

 

Dude. Those cut waters (sans the long island one) are amazing.

I feel you on the T7, it's definitely a bike that is a jack of all trades but master of NONE. (I know that saying continues, but where that saying ends above is also where the T7 ends, it does nothing amazingly well).

Like I said if I was only allowed one single bike it would be that, because it could do all aspects just OK and is more dirt oriented versus other Japanese offerings.

And the shows prices on the T7 have come way down in the last 2 years even more so than prices on motorcycles in general with how the economy is going.

 

I just got back from the Mexican restaurant. Took the wife there for a margarita!!! Wow we are all on the same page today. Usually Friday is pizza night but since I started working out I stopped doing that. So instead I had a margarita. It’s always fun because the wife and I talk so much during that time.

 

On a crazy side note. Do you all remember the 2012 Yamaha FZ1 I had and sold a couple years ago? I think I posted that the new owner put it up forsale but had a stupid high asking price of 8k. I sold it to him for 6700 and all he did was ride it a few hundred miles. He is a very busy guy and just doesn’t have time to ride. I have been thinking of getting another FZ1 because it really was a do it all bike. Well I hit him up and said I was looking for another sport touring bike and that I would give him $6500 cash for it right now. Well he is out of town for another month but said yes he would sell it back to me for that price!! He is going to be moving to lake havasu and would like not to have to haul it down. So I will be contacting him in a month and see where he is and I will be buying that bike back. I should have never sold it in the first place. It has ALL the good mods already done by me. I know that bike inside and out. It has just over 4500 miles. I will be putting some serious miles on it. Now the waiting game begins which I suck at. lol

 

Reason I say light duty is it's still not a long travel bike capable but not like bikes that are designed for it ya know? Pretty wild what they pushed that thing through haha

 

Oh, man, that is AWESOME! I've never been able to get anything back that I regretted parting with, no matter how hard I tried. Super happy you get a second chance with that beauty.

 

Ah, yeah in that aspect you are correct. It's still and adventure bike, so it's never going to be able to do the rough stuff as well as an enduro or dirt bike. It'll make it so you don't have to trailer it to get to the dirt, though. That's the big appeal of an ADV bike in the first place. I'd bet 95% or more of the ADV bikes sold are on pavement 90% of the time and only hit the occasional forest road or mild trail, and there's nothing wrong with that. The people that by an ADV and think they're going to go do the Itchyboots thing are out of their minds, because a lighter bike will always be better for stuff off pavement. ADV bikes are for touring and getting a little more dirt than somebody on a sport tourer or cruiser is likely going to be comfortable with. They have their place, but people just need to be honest about what they are going to do on a bike.

I'm in that 90% pavement category. The only dirt I will consistently do will be the road I live on. It's nothing that warrants a dirt bike on knobbies, but it's more than I liked taking my cruiser with pavement tires down. Too much loose gravel when it's been repaired, or it's too many potholes when it's worn out. I really wish they'd just pave it.

 

I just tried the long island ones last week! My parents were in town last week meeting their grand daughter and my mom bought the long island ones to try. I have one in the fridge still, it's truly disgusting The rest are pretty phenomenal and they're STRONG. Two did me pretty well last night (helped the first one was before dinner and I had a light lunch haha)

 

Hell yeah! Funny how the world works like that. That's awesome.

 

So far, only the dealership in Topeka has responded to my emails through Cycletrader. Though, we'll see what their answers are to my questions. If they can drop the price enough I would consider the bike, but no way am I paying what they have it listed at. Not when there are bikes with less than half the miles listed for the same or less, and I know that the bike has sat since late last year. It's just overpriced for what it is.

 

Holy jezus. Through the Rubicon. I rode my wr450 through the Rubicon the opposite direction (arguably harder way to go) and it was THE HARDEST dirt riding I have ever done by far without a doubt. There is no way in hell I'd ever attempt that on anything larger than a normal dirtbike.

Ok glad I am not the only one.... It was truly shocking as I had every flavor of cutwater except long island and was like dannng these are good. Expected the same from long Island and was like WTF is this shit.

 

Yup. It's shit like this that I point to when people say "you can't take X bike through Y terrain!" 99% of it is the rider because ALL bikes are usually more capable than the rider sitting on them. Watch the Altrider promo vid for their bars and plate for the Super Tenere and then tell me the bike can't off road. I dare you. LOL They thrashed it through shit I have zero desire to ever go near, so I know the bike won't ever be holding me back. I'm going to be the limiting factor for the bike, just like most riders.

 

My wife asked me last night how it had tasted (she didn't try it before) and my response was it tastes like its a 2 for 1 long island at the sketchiest bar in Thailand at 3am.