Moving from 2nd Gen to 3rd...what to know

Yeah, unfortunately that range is the only number that shows up everywhere without needing to read smoothed-over output curves from documentation. The only comparison we can make at other rpm ranges are from the curves that have been posted or other dyno plots.

I agree, there are better options for torque output from stopped, electric being the best at this point. There are of course challenges to implementing electric that are currently being researched and tested. We'll see changes in the near future.

The Venza never used the engine that is in the Tacoma. While part of the same family (the 1GR is also part of the same family), the 2GR-FKS was developed specifically by Toyota to be used in vehicles like the Tacoma. The development objectives for the engine were to develop three variants of the same engine to be used in different applications. Of course the goals of that development may still counter what owners on Tacomaworld want (lighter components for fuel economy purposes, etc.), to say that Toyota simply grabbed the engine from the Venza and tossed it into the Tacoma isn't really true.

My last comment would be that simply running an engine at a lower rpm does not mean it will experience less wear and tear or be more reliable. Sure all things being equal on the same engine there's a case to be made, but just as an example, mean piston speed on the 4.0L at 2000rpm is the same mean piston speed as the 3.5L at 2289rpm. Of course there's more combustion pressure to make the same torque, etc., but there's a lot that goes into determining strength and reliability.

Would be interesting to look at Toyota's engineering data.

Jeff

 

Exactly, I could not have said it any better my friend!

 

You are too good for this thread. I appreciate you posting the info you did though.

 

Ah yes! The highly scientific, rigidly control Ike Gauntlet test, as conducted by Mr. Truck... or is it Dr. truck?

We need Mr. Plow to weigh in here. I’d like to know which out of the 2nd and 3rd gen would be better for clearing the snow from the road into my property.

 

Blah blah blah blah blah...

None of that matters, your big words and the science stuff.....true fans of the almighty 1GR-FE will not listen to your heresy. We consider you a witch and will burn you at he stake if you continue with your blasphemy.

This is what matters, pay attention, witch:

The 1GR-FE was forged by Zeus himself on top of Mt. Olympus. It is so fucking powerful and has so much usable torque that the rear wheel arches got sucked into mind-numbingly grotesque shapes due to the unholy forces transmitted through the frame from this undeniable he-man TRUCK motor.

It has been proven that infertile women can conceive again simply by glancing at it as it punishes it's challengers in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 sprint - and we all know how important these are when buying a truck..

By mashing the throttle and feeling the gobs and gobs of power and torque course up your leg and into your thigh and scrotum, your sperm count will quintuple. People often greedily collect its used oil and other fluids to be used in apothecaries all over the world as cures for everything from cancer, to impotence and baldness.

LBZ? 6T? T444E? Phhbbttt. They fucking pale in comparison to the pinnacle of truck engine engineering, the mighty, the unmatched, the legendary 1 fucking GR-son of a bitching FE.

 

Mr. Plow clearly thinks the answer to snow removal is an '87-'96 Ford front end on a '73-'87 chevy rear end. His opinion has been rendered irrelevant.

 

Ha ha
That’s for sure. That’s what TW is for. Our wives have little interest in listening to the same old BS.

 

A true believer.

ha ha...seriously.
The timing is incidental in the towing. It’s all subjective. How could timing be true. They tow in traffic.

 

Wrong.

Please read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine

The 2 GR is a derivative of the 1 gr which is the 4.0
The entire 2 GR family is the corporate 3.5 base engine used in the Highlander , Venza and surprise, the Tacoma.

This engine can be used horizontally or vertically and have different components.....but they are from the 2 GR family.

 

You kept quoting CR as some kind of concrete evidence so the TFL test is about equal to that.

 

But that’s what I said.

Jeff

 

Nope....I just gave a testers opinion from CR. That’s the same as from TFL. The timing is coincidental. Claiming that one is better because it finished quicker is non evidence. The tests were conducted in traffic. The testers make the point.

 

Is it really this hard to believe that the truck with 40 more HP would be better at towing up a hill?

 

The Highlander used the 2GR-FE and it was later replaced by the FF/SUV variant of the 2GR-FKS which it currently uses.
The Venza used the 2GR-FE.
The Tacoma has the commercial variant of the 2GR-FKS.

The engine that’s in the Tacoma was never used in the Venza.

Jeff

 

I apologize. I misread what you meant by “ family of motors”
I assumed the 1 GR and 2 Gr were from a different family in your post....sorry

 

Well, of course not. The engine didn’t have direct injection. But, the corporate 2GR family of engines is used everywhere you have a Taco, minivan or derivative of a minivan. It’s like taking the old 22R and adding additional valves. It’s still the same base engines.

Do you see this engine in any other real truck based vehicle in Toyota’s line up. No. Because it’s still a pussy engine.

 

What are we arguing about here again?

 

Who knows.

 

This is a discussion. We’re still all respectful and have mutual respect for each other, unlike political forums.

 

Actually the 2GR-FE was never intended to be used in a truck. The 1GR-FE was designed from the ground up for the Tacoma, Hilux, 4Runner, Land cruiser and Tundra.