MPG 2024 Tacoma Pro

That's not how thermodynamics works. It takes the same amount of energy to move an object with a particular mass regardless of what put that energy in. It's the same amount of "effort." That's what mechanical work is. Ke = (mv^2)/2. In your particular circumstance, the 2.3T EcoBoost might be slightly less efficient over the particular range you used to do your test, so it may have extracted less energy from the mass of fuel used, but it made the same amount of energy. Thing is, that experience is an anecdote that only applies to that combination.

You'll get different results if you tested different motors. In fact, it's almost always the other way around; you find that larger displacement motors rated for higher maximum output tend to get lower city fuel economy than smaller motors rated for less maximum output. The larger motor usually weighs a bit more, but it's rarely more than a 150lbs or so, so you could do a meaningful comparison just by having a passenger in the smaller engined vehicle. City driving is where you're doing much more of the part throttle acceleration you claim the bigger motor is more efficient. Either way, the "bigger" motor will almost always use more fuel to go the same distance when driven the same way. It's reflected in the EPA city fuel economy ratings, which — flawed they may be — are meant to be predictable and consistent. They drive the 2025 Ranger with the 2.3 and turn 21mpg city. That drops to 19 with the 2.7.

My point here is that you found the one exception to the rule and that anecdote in any other circumstances is tantamount to comparing apples and baseballs.

 

There aren't a ton of hybrids on Fuelly, but the picture being painted isn't pretty. Non-hybrid '24 Tacos are averaging 19.2 mpg (vs 18.6 for the '23 models), while the hybrids are averaging 16.1 mpg. Ooof!

 

People don't pay extra for more power and then not use it. The EPA testers don't drive it like they stole it or bought it, they drive the standardized profile.

 

So the Ranger Raptor, non-hybrid turbo with 405 HP, is getting 16.3 mpg on Fuelly. The Tacoma Hybrid, with 326 HP, is getting 16.1 mpg. Pretty sweet. Of course, as we all know, people don't pay for more power and then not use it.

 

It's the torque that sucks down the fuel.
Tacoma Hybrids cost more than Ranger Raptors. Hybrid drivers have money to burn and drive with no regard for fuel economy.
Or Toyota pulled a VW and sent the EPA specially tuned trucks to game the system.

 

Would not surprise me. Car makers do some shady shit.

 

Not so much now, after the hilarious amount VW got to spend on Dieselgate and the flap that practically had upper management committing ritual suicide at Subaru.

Though, at least in the US, it's not like the EPA likely to fine anybody for doing anything except maybe forgetting to pollute their local waterway at the rate we're going.

 

It's been my experience that people don't like to take responsibility for their actions and instead blame others. How many overweight or obese people are in the US? Are the charts wrong? Ask those that are overweight or obese if they are exceeding their recommended daily allowance. How many are going to say no?

(Not sure if these charts are current, for males or females, but you get the idea.)

 

You can bitch about EPA MPG numbers but either Toyota is lying (not likely), the hybrids are malfunctioning (and Toyota is clueless or lying that they are not), or you're not driving it right.


From a Car & Driver article:

 

What was the source for this chart? The moderate weight for a 5’10” male is a max of 167? The last time I was that lean was in my 20s running 35+ miles per week, and swimming downstream then back upstream about 2 miles (daily).

 

Must have been made in the 1950's

That calories chart must be for an amish farmer.

 

lol. Yea, by that chart me at 175 pounds is overweight. 175 is pretty skinny on my frame. 185 is a good weight for my 5’10” frame. Currently 194 but moving down.

 

Getting 23 around town, recent highway drive showed 24, calculated at the pump, not even broken in. I’ve seen as high as 26 on the trip indicator. Compared to my prior Tacos, FJC, 4R, this thing’s an absolute freak on gas.

 

I did a 800 mile trip also up and down 5000 feet in altitude in my 6’ bed OR (does not come Hybrid or i would have got it) with a Dirt bike motorcycle on the back and 3 people and camp gear for 4 days. I got 19.6 actual on paper MPG i had the cruise set at 75. At home in town no freeway at 5000 feet altitude its about 17MPG and i regularly smash the gas and drive it in sport mode a lot .

 

I own a 2007 TRD-Off Road. I also own 2 hybrids, a 2007 Limited Highlander and a 2016 Rav4 Hybrid. The best mileage I ever get with my 07 Taco is just over 20mpg running at 65-70 on HW (with no headwind). I get 25-27mpg in my Highlander city/hwy and 30-32 in the Rav4. If you have never driven a Toyota Hybrid and drive like Mario Andretti from light to light like a Trog you won't get good gas mileage. If you are constantly burning up the energy in the Hybrid Battery and having to charge with the ICE instead of braking and coasting to red lights then you can kiss any savings at the pump goodby. In fact I have only replaced the front brake pads on my Highlander Hy once in 200k plus miles. I don't know if the new 24 and 25 Model Taco Hybrids use the same regenerative braking profile but I would be surprised if Toyota reinvented the system in the Truck. Trucks (except maybe Rivian/Tesla) have terrible drag inherently, I would really be surprised if driven like a hybrid you shouldn't be getting at least 23/24 in town and 22 on the highway with a lot more HP and Torque than my 07' has. All you 24'/25' owners feel free to tweet in and give us all some real world when not driving like a Trog.

 

From a Car & Driver article:


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It takes patience and driving skill to squeeze every ounce of fuel out of a Hybred.

 

There is one thing that may be creating a large impact to the mileage. I would be curious to find out what tires everyone is running. I put some more aggressive tires (Not low rolling resistance) on my Highlander once and the mileage dropped below 22mpg. I traded them in after 5k Miles for recommended tires and mileage went back to normal. The hybrid system works well when you can coast to stop. aggressive tires will kill the coasting and if they have a tall profile you will increase the undercarriage drag.

 

I agree most larger motors use more fuel to make power. People also presume larger displacement 4cyl vs 8cyl, I almost am never comparing a V8 to what ever other engine. I think the Tacoma is proof that the t4 needs to make power and consume fuel to get the truck down the road. There's a reason Toyota does not use the t4 in the Tundra which isn't that much larger and heavier than the Tacoma.