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Needle Bearing - Yes, Replace It (ECGS)

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by irritable_vowels, Apr 9, 2021.

  1. Nov 27, 2022 at 7:38 PM
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    I got the needle bearing replaced with ECGS bushing on my recently bought lifted Taco. The noise is gone. Thanks to everyone that contributes to this thread.
    I have a question. The original needle bearing spins along with the axle, I assume. Since the needle bearing has been replaced with the bushing, which does not spin, wouldn't this cause friction, which generate heat?
     
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  2. Nov 28, 2022 at 6:46 AM
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    Friction is negated by gear oil lubrication between the bushing and the CV shaft.
     
  3. Nov 28, 2022 at 7:30 AM
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    2 lifts, 2 accidents and ecg still hasnt been a problem 2017 75k
     
  4. Nov 28, 2022 at 7:37 AM
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    Took my truck to the dealer for this noise and they are going to replace the diff. I’m worried the noise will come back. What are the chances they will be ok with installing the ecgs bearing? I figured it won’t be difficult considering everything will be apart anyway. What’s a reasonable labor rate?
     
  5. Nov 28, 2022 at 7:50 AM
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    you're replacing the diff??? :duh:

    are you paying for this? or is it warranty work?
     
  6. Nov 28, 2022 at 11:43 AM
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  7. Nov 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM
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    Thank you. I was a little worry.
     
  8. Nov 29, 2022 at 5:13 AM
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    few things here and there.
    Has anyone had the bushing itself fail? If so, what were the symptoms? Isolating a mysterious bumpy ride feel that I’ve developed.
     
  9. Nov 29, 2022 at 5:57 AM
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    Bushing won't affect ride.
     
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  10. Nov 29, 2022 at 5:58 AM
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    few things here and there.
    Alright, cool. Thanks!

    I ask because the needle bearing caused vibration, was curious if the bushing failed if it would cause something as well.
     
  11. Nov 29, 2022 at 7:00 AM
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    I’m lifted 2” for about a year now, stock needle bearing. Still perfect after a few rough wheeling trips.
     
  12. Nov 29, 2022 at 7:11 AM
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    The bushing can't "fail" because there isnt anything to break or fall apart. If the bushing were to wear out, you would slowly get a vibration just like the needle bearing issue. I have not seen/heard of a bushing wearing out yet but it would be interesting to inspect if that ever happens. The bushing is pretty much the same as an engine bearing or transmission output shaft bushing, so yes, there is friction but as stated, it is negated by gear oil. The dealership will not install a ECGS bushing with the new differential. Toyota still says the needle bearing is not a problem. Insane to me that they have not modified their design. That being said, some people go forever without the issue and some go 500 miles. Mine lasted 3k miles or so then I started hearing it.
     
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    Ok, some of this is not necessarily true. The needle bearing CAN fail. It is very rare. If the bearing has a complete failure, the needles will shoot into your diff and youll need a new front gear set at minimum. I had a buddy go through a needle bearing failure at 45k...

    To my knowledge everything else stated above is accurate
     
  14. Nov 29, 2022 at 7:55 AM
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    The guy above was talking about the bushing not the stock bearing.
     
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    So i am understanding that this is really a non issue for factory height trucks?
     
  16. Nov 29, 2022 at 12:32 PM
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    50/50.... The more height on the truck/4Runners, the more angular pressure you put on the needle bearing. Stock height can have the same problem but lifting them makes it more likely due to the added pressure
     
  17. Nov 29, 2022 at 12:37 PM
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    Anything with tits or a motor will soon give you problems.
     
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    Does anyone around MA have the tool I could borrow for a weekend? lol
     
  19. Jan 19, 2023 at 9:13 PM
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    Has anyone done this on a 2023 yet? Also, any links for the parts needed? I saw the link that directed to the 2nd Gen conversation about this. Are the parts the same for both Gens? I'm only 3 weeks into being a Tacoma owner (previous Jeep guy, Don't hate me) so I'm learning the differences and samsies between the Generations.
     
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  20. Jan 20, 2023 at 12:22 AM
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    Did you guys have to top off the fluid when you switched out the needle bearing for ECGS bushing? I've watched a few videos and looks like some spills out when you remove the factory bearing.
     
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