Negligent Discharge?

soo Fing true! if anyone you have not taken a hunter safety class i’d advise you to do so. these are like the first 4 things they teach you!

 

That wasn't really what I was after, but that's fine too.

not sure if you saw my edit...?

 

(this isn't directed at you...but just an overall 'vent')

There is NO ROOM for 'reminders' or 'mistakes' with gun ownership. One mistake or one 'whoops' can kill someone and put your life in a world of hurt. Gun owners need to make safety a habit and be 'anal' about it.

Emptying the chamber when you put the gun away and checking the chamber every time you pickup a gun - PERIOD.

This concept isn't any different than keeping your guns locked up and away from children (or non gun owners). You don't want your children to play with guns and hurt themselves..... So why would YOU (grown adult who should fully understand gun ownership) take chances with your own life or someone elses?

 

There may be no room for mistakes, but reminding everyone of the bad things that can and do happen is a good thing IMO.

 

It's a Negligent discharge, and not accidental discharge, for a reason. It's cause is negligence. When I play with airsoft guns with my little brother I won't point them at anyone, why should a real gun ever be pointed at someone or not checked before the trigger is pulled, ever? I will check my pistol like a paranoid idiot over and over before I clean it, even though I know for a fact it doesn't have a clip in or a round in the chamber. Call me crazy haha but I've never shot anyone on accident, or out of negligence. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded, rule numero uno.

 

Of course...

The other big safety issue - is those who carry - will often carry a fully loaded and chambered gun (a whole other heated topic). This adds another EXTREME safety responsibility. Understanding the extra risks. Having the proper holster, the proper attire /setup, and being extra 'aware' of the safety risks while carrying a chambered gun. And NEVER 'forgetting' that your carry gun is fully chambered.

Remember...If you have a 'buddy' that wants to check out your piece...He/she may not be a gun owner.....and won't be aware of the gun safety rules. Your buddy won't know to check the chamber himself prior to handling your gun. That's putting a lot of 'trust' in YOU....

 

I never hand a loaded firearm to anyone. If they cannot properly chamber a round, they shouldnot have a firearm.

Why would I carry a gun for personal protection without having a round chambered? So i can give the bad guy a few extra seconds? Fuck that. I carry IWB CCW. Trigger is covered by by holster. Remember one of the fundamentals? "DO NOT PUT YOUR FINGER INSIDE THE TRIGGER WELL UNTIL YOU INTEND TO FIRE"

 

I guess I should have added there is a huge difference between knowing the 4 rules, knowing the safety risks, and knowing how to negate them, yet becoming complacent vs being ignorant. And that's what I mean it can happen to anyone.

Either way it's negligence though.

 

I agree with you

 

I also carry....fully loaded, chambered, and no safety. I know the drill....

If someone hands me a gun (they checked the chamber),.....I will also check the chamber. It's a secondary measure of safety.

Non gun owners are not aware of this concept or safety. You hand a gun to a non gun owner and they put their trust in YOU to hand them a 'safe' gun. There is no secondary measure of safety. In fact, YOU should immediately teach them the concept of checking the chamber.... because that won't be the last time they handle a gun.

 

This isnt my first row-dayo

 

I'm not making excuses for the ND. It was a huge mistake. One thing for sure. Those that have experienced something first-hand usually have a greater understanding than those that are just told. I can tell you that there are very few people that are more cautious with guns than me after this event. My gun safe has a big sign on the door with a checklist to perform before anything goes in or out of it. I run through it religiously with each and every gun.

Like I said before. I don't care what you think of me. I do understand why you would feel that way. I do hope someone out there will learn not to be so confident around firearms like I was previously because of the 40+ years of my life around guns. If that happens then my mistake can be used for good in the world and hopefully prevent someone from getting hurt or killed.

 

When I was in Basic training, we had this simulation night abush that we had to react to. Well, turns out that we did really well. The Drill Sergents used a 50.cal with a BFA (blank firing adapter) to simulate fire down upon us. They were using blanks. Then came the time for the drill sergents to unmount the 50 from the mount on top of the humvee....Didnt clear it, I guess they felt like because it shot blanks, it wasnt a big deal ya know? Wrong. The soldier who was in front of that weapon when they removed the weapon died due to this negligance.. Not because of the Blank round, but somehow there was a LIVE round inside the chamber, that hit that kid in the stomach, right below the plate. I saw that kid get hit, took almost his whole back with it upon exit. That kid died 3 hours later in the hospital. His parents wernt there, the boy died due to a stupid fucking action. The DS who didnt check the weapon, well he dissapeard that night. I didnt bother and ask where he went. But thats my worse scenerio I have seen with an nd. It cost that kid his life. I graduated basic 2 weeks later, and have NEVER "forgot" to check if a weapon is loaded.

 

^^^

 

thats a tradgedy man, im sure thats in the back of your mind every time. I store all my long firearms in the safe with either bolt out or action open, my home defense shotgun, my best set up is under the bed safety on and no round in the chamber. My CCW empty in the safe with a loaded mag next to it. Its always been second nature for me to be very safety concious but now that ive been literally 2 ft from a guy who had, and the fact like someone said earlier how damn loud it was indoors and not expecting it, i know i wont forget that anytime soon. And I commend the for sharing his story, Im not going to report the guy, ive thought about it and knowing everything i do and talking to him recently, i believe that he will never forget it and he realizes what happened and the seriousness involved, and wouldnt happen again. Ive never actually shot with the guy, but this incident wouldnt stop me from being near him while he's carrying or going to the range with him. It has a lot to do with what i know about him how the situation unfolded.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS2botDNobY&feature=plcp

This is how I ND.

 

Bingo.

"Accidental" discharge, industrial "accident", automobile "accident"....

There are no accidents. An "accident" is the result of two things:
1 - An unsafe condition
2 - An unsafe action
Both of those must be present for an "accident" to happen.

That is why you always hear "I've done it a hundred times and it's never...."
The unsafe action will not result in an accident without the presence of the unsafe condition.
Sometimes these things happen very quickly, and the unsafe condition may be created by the unsafe action. Other times, the unsafe condition may exist for centuries before the unsafe action comes along.

Back to the "I've done it a hundred times and it's never...."
This leads to complacency.
Familiarity leads to complacency.
"Oh, I know this gun is clear, I cleaned it last week"
"Oh, I know this gun is clear, I cleaned it last month"
"Oh, I know this gun is clear, I cleaned it last year"

At what point did someone else in the home chamber a round?

Complacency leads to ignoring safety procedures.
The unsafe action is just waiting for the unsafe condition.
The unsafe condition is just waiting for the unsafe action.


Sadly, the injured party is not always responsible for either the unsafe action or condition.

 

which means that it is your responsibility to know whether or not a round is chambered before you squeeze the trigger. If you don't know, and do not check, that is negligence.

 

Exactly.

"Accident" = Negligence

 

this guy actually filed lawsuit over the video saying it cost him his job. america at it's finest.