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New AK needed

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by TanSR5x4, Aug 6, 2011.

  1. Aug 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM
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    im kinda bored so i wanted to see if TW could help me with my next purchase

    i just sold my AK-47
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    and now i need a new one

    i really want an under folder. i think i want a polish pattern AKMSUF or i have been kicking around the idea of getting a draco pistol and putting an under folding stock on it which would require me to fill out a form 1 for the BATFE? which i no nothing about. so i would just really like any opinions on the form 1.

    or should i maybe go with one of these
    http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...9-cal,-by-cai-/cPath/209_214/products_id/4715

    http://centerfiresystems.com/akagun-poluf.aspx

    supposed to be certified. they have good reviews on ar15.com. this is actually what im leaning hard towards now
    http://www.hendersondefense.com/store/pc/Polish-AKMS-Underfolder-AK47-50p271.htm

    maybe just build one from a kit?

    open to any and all comments
     
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    hahaha yeah pink is nice but i think ill stick with the wood grain
     
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    If I was to buy another AK, it would probably be a Polish underfolder. I bought my AK from JG Sales. Smooth transaction. Henderson Defense probably has the best reputation for selling good quality AK’s as they go thru them before selling them, no canted sights or anything like that, but they were out of stock when I was ready to order.

    I’d most likely go overboard, and get a Polish underfolder built by Red Jacket. Little more money, but probably worth it.
     
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    damn i eventually want an AK. which country besides russia makes the best one?
     
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    There are lots of good choices, but you need to be more specific. You mentioned wood and an underfolder, that's a start. Are you looking for a 47 or a 74? What are you using it for? What is your budget? Why did you sell your last one? The Polish AKMS is a good choice for a low-dollar, ready-to-go underfolding AK. There are nicer ones and there are worse ones.

    If you put a stock on a Draco it will be an NFA item and require a lot of work. Even basic, basic, basic Draco SBRs will cost about $1,000, and that's if you do all the work yourself and are familiar with NFA/Class 3 items and don't have an attorney help you with the Form 1 application process or create a Trust. Remember, Dracos are pistols so if you SBR it you have to comply with 922(r) regs and watch your parts counts. Not an undertaking for a novice.

    Building a rifle from a parts kit is even more involved and if you're not a machinist and have thousands of dollars in equipment (presses/stamps/riveters) building an AK from a parts kit is NOT for you.
     
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    wow awesome im so glad you chimed in with some first hand experience! what kind did you buy from JG? i really dont have a lot of money in my budget and i have heard the wait from one from red jacket is absolutely ridiculous

    thanks so much for the info! sounds like SBRs and a full kit build is out of the equation now. the one i sold was a good gun and never really failed and was surprisingly accurate but i just didnt really like it anymore and i knew i could sell it to fund an underfolder. i have a budget of $700 that i would like to turn into an underfolder, maybe mags or bayonet or sling, and possibly ammo. i just really want one to have around take to the range and what not.

    i would also love to know the difference between 47s and 74s. i always thought it was just the length. but i heard the other day it was caliber. id like to stick to 7.62x39

    i really appreciate the responses!
     
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    I bought a WASR 10/63 from JG Sales about a year ago for $399.95. Shipping, transfer fee and background check brought it to around $450. I forget exactly. I’ve had zero problems with it. Functions perfect. It is exactly what I wanted. I bought a case of ammo that came out to $0.18/round with shipping, but prices have gone up since then.

    The Red Jacket Polish Underfolders are sold thru Atlantic Firearms, and are usually in stock.
     
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    The AK-74 shoots 5.56 x 39. Not the same round as the more common 5.56 x 45 people shoot in their AR’s. 7.62 x 39 is more common, easy to find, and cheaper.
     
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    thats cool i heard that its all chance when you order a WASR10 cuz theres some good ones and some bad ones. i was just looking more and saw a WASR underfolder and it has a chrome lined barrel which i would love to have but idk

    i checked Atlantic and found that one. its really nice but its just too much at $750
     
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    i thought it was 5.45 or something. but yeah i got an AR already. and i also got like 300 7.62x39 rounds but no AK lol
     
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    WASR’s are the guns people love to bash. Most of the complaints seem to revolve around crude finish, canted sights and so on, but nothing that affects function. The wood on my WASR is rough to the touch, and I keep thinking I will take some sandpaper to it sometime, but I’ve never done it. The models sold in the US come with Tapco G2 triggers installed, and they are very nice triggers. First time I shot the gun it went off before I thought I even put my finger on the trigger. I had it pointed at the target, so no harm. Took a while to get used to that trigger. Feels more like the trigger on a SA handgun.

    Yes, the price for a Red Jacket Underfolder isn’t cheap, which is probably why I will continue to think about it. Sure would like one tho.
     
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    Yea, you’re right. It’s 5.45 x 39. I knew I shouldn’t have typed that from memory.
     
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    It is 5.45x39mm, and 5.45 is WAY cheaper than 7.62x39 and is not hard to find. Generally speaking, 74s will be more accurate. I prefer 7.62x39mm myself, but for high-volume shooting nothing beats 7N6 steel core 5.45. There are lots of manufacturers now producing commercial 5.45 also.

    OP, it sounds like the Polish is your best bet. Red Jacket does make fantastic guns, but if you're just looking for a shooter, Pols make great guns.

    WASRs are hit or miss as with any RomAk / Cugir built firearm, this includes WASR 1s 2s and 3s, PSLs, Dracos, Draco-Cs, Mini Dracos, Micro Dracos, etc. Most are perfectly fine. Some require work.
     
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    man i am so stoked about this feedback. i was hesitant to post this cuz i figured i would get some sarcastic responses at best. but i really appreciate the first hand knowledge. and now you have me thinking about a 74 but i im gonna stick with the one from henderson defense now and hopefully order it sometime this week. i guess if im not happy with it i can just sell/trade it out till i find what im looking for

    once again thank you very much for your insightful posts:thumbsup:
     
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    You’ll do fine with the one from Henderson Defense. They go thru all AK’s before they send them out, so you should have an excellent gun. Don’t sleep on it too long. Their page says there are only 5 in stock.

    The 5.45 x 39 is one wicked round. Read up about the construction of the bullet and what it does when it hits something. It will just plain leave a nasty hole.
     
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    No problem OP. There are a few knowledgeable members here who are willing to help, and many more who don't know a thing. Just as long as you have a solid idea of what you want and have done a little background research of your own, you can't go wrong.
    Agreed 100%, don't hesitate to buy it.

    And yes, 5.45 is a nasty cartridge. "Compliance" to international regulation necessitated some very creative jacketed bullet designs in order to do the same thing a different way. Instead of expansion we'll make it tumble and yaw. Fun. Whole new ways of killing you without getting sanctioned.
     
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    ok so i got my rifle! but im less than stoked about the finish. just seems idk i just dont care for it. the receiver cover it gray and it really stands out. and i got a wasr owners manual with it which made me very uneasy but i dont think its a wasr. what do yall think?
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    bumpskis! everyone check out my new rifle and give me mad props or talk shit bro

    sorry about the upside down pic
     
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    Almost every AK rifle in production has been built from a parts kit, meaning mismatched finishes and things like that are the norm. If it bothers you too much, CeraKote, GunKote, or DuraCoat the whole thing. It's not difficult or expensive to refinish it. I'm not a fan of underfolders but from what I can tell it looks good. The receiver appears nicely done, and it's got a great set of handguards. Did you fully inspect it? How's the FCG, is the gas block straight, is there any cant in the front sight tower? Those are the big things to look for. If that all checks out I'm sure it's GTG.
     
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