1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

New Lift Questions

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by =JSG=, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:05 PM
    #1
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    What is installed:

    - Bilstein 5100 front/rear
    - Eibach Coils
    - 2" Toytec AAL
    - Front Diff drop

    After the lift:

    Trucks rides great in the city but on the highway at 70+ MPH I notice my steering wheel tugs right and left.

    Shop said I am at the maximum setting even though I told them not to exceed 2.5" because I want to keep my stock UCAs. I told them about the issue they said it sounds like wheel balance is off. I am not sure how high I am but it looks like 3"

    Question:

    - Is this because of my stock UCAs? or is it just my wheel balance? Alignment shop did not put weights on the outside ( Wheel: Pro Comp 7089)

    Truck with the lift before I get bigger tires:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  2. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:15 PM
    #2
    KenLyns

    KenLyns Lord of War

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Member:
    #37674
    Messages:
    20,723
    Gender:
    Male
    Belly of the Beast
    Vehicle:
    4x4 TRD Off Road Full-Auto
    All-Pro Front Bumper, All-Pro UCAs, Icon ET Coilovers, Icon VS Rear Shocks, TSB Leafs, Timbren Bumpstops, CBI Sliders, ViAir Compressor, Klearz LED 3rd Brake Light, Pop-N-Lock Tailgate Handle, Husky Front Flaps, Deeza HD Sway Bar Links
    Did the shop use the highest perch setting on the 5100s with the Eibach coils? That will give you excessive lift. Take a photo so we can see how many snap ring grooves are showing above the perch.

    Ask your alignment shop for the result sheet and see how much caster you have. If it's near zero, then UCAs are the answer to get more caster.
     
  3. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:16 PM
    #3
    jflan

    jflan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2008
    Member:
    #11901
    Messages:
    1,019
    Vancouver, WA
    Vehicle:
    09 Access 4x4 2.7L manual SR5
    SnugTop SuperSport Sportsman keyless cap Weathertech mats - OEM skidplate - OEM hitch
    :confused:

    Can you post a copy of your alignment report ?
    Your pic looks like you're over 3" in the front.
    Might want to check those half shaft (CV) angles, too.
     
  4. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:18 PM
    #4
    OZ-T

    OZ-T All of those moments....will be lost.....in time

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    23,282
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    As above , your caster is probably maxxed out on your stock UCA's
     
  5. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:27 PM
    #5
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    Pictures have been updated above
     
  6. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM
    #6
    jflan

    jflan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2008
    Member:
    #11901
    Messages:
    1,019
    Vancouver, WA
    Vehicle:
    09 Access 4x4 2.7L manual SR5
    SnugTop SuperSport Sportsman keyless cap Weathertech mats - OEM skidplate - OEM hitch
    Looks like you're at the highest setting on the Bilstein.
    The lowest (0.0) or second (.85) setting is most commonly done with the Eibachs.
    Can't see your halfshafts (CV's).

    1. You're way high for this type of lift
    2. I'll bet your caster number is way low
    3. You might have to go to aftermarket UCA's
    4. You might also have to find an alignment shop that is familiar with lifted vehicles
    5. Caster needs to be between 2.4 and 3.1
     
  7. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:52 PM
    #7
    4WD

    4WD cRaZy oLdmAn

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Member:
    #19185
    Messages:
    22,446
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Doug
    Gardnerville, Nevada
    Vehicle:
    No Truck
    Grey wire MOD, deck plate, diff breather MOD, 2nd gen. OME 883# on Tundra 5100's, OMD custom 3" leafsprings, rear shock relocation, Ivan Stewart TRD rims w/285/75/16's, '02 bumper MOD, Famous Fabrications sliders , LED interior/exterior lights, bed bar, Custom tube bumper, Old school KC day lighters,Red Ring 8" HID flood, Kenwood vhf 2M.. umm some other shit I'm forgetting right now
    The Eibachs by themselves usually provide 3" & I see your not set at 0' as you should be, 5100's are always set at 0' w/Eibachs for 1st @ 2nd gens.

    lower your ride hight & live happy forever.....:cool:
     
  8. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:57 PM
    #8
    USCoastGuard12

    USCoastGuard12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2011
    Member:
    #64564
    Messages:
    64
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Conner
    Beaumont,TX
    Vehicle:
    2007 Tacoma 4x4
    Black headlight, taillights, and center rear light. Custom grill, K&N intake,Revtek 3' lift,devil horn emblem,ballistic jesters
    maybe balance the tires.So it doesnt tug
     
  9. Dec 23, 2011 at 10:58 PM
    #9
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    Alright, Im gon go tell the shop to fix it for free. Is it safe to drive? Also how does the CV look?
     
  10. Dec 23, 2011 at 11:02 PM
    #10
    jflan

    jflan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2008
    Member:
    #11901
    Messages:
    1,019
    Vancouver, WA
    Vehicle:
    09 Access 4x4 2.7L manual SR5
    SnugTop SuperSport Sportsman keyless cap Weathertech mats - OEM skidplate - OEM hitch
    Keep a close eye on them if they set up Eibachs and Bilsteins like this.


    Can't see enough in the pic, plus they will improve once they set you up correctly.
     
  11. Dec 24, 2011 at 12:09 AM
    #11
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    Thanks, jflan. Is it safe to drive this truck on the highway?
     
  12. Dec 24, 2011 at 5:57 AM
    #12
    KenLyns

    KenLyns Lord of War

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Member:
    #37674
    Messages:
    20,723
    Gender:
    Male
    Belly of the Beast
    Vehicle:
    4x4 TRD Off Road Full-Auto
    All-Pro Front Bumper, All-Pro UCAs, Icon ET Coilovers, Icon VS Rear Shocks, TSB Leafs, Timbren Bumpstops, CBI Sliders, ViAir Compressor, Klearz LED 3rd Brake Light, Pop-N-Lock Tailgate Handle, Husky Front Flaps, Deeza HD Sway Bar Links
    The spring perch is on the 2nd highest setting, which provides 1.75" lift on its own with stock springs, according to Bilstein's instructions:
    http://cart.bilsteinus.com/pdfs/E4-WM5-Y323A00.pdf

    The Eibachs are sized for 1.6" lift on their own, according to Toytec's page:
    http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.ph...tegory_id=115&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

    Stack these together and you are at about 3.4", which is too high, as evidenced by the severe (and destructive) angle at the inboard CV boots.

    Go back to the shop and get them to move the spring perch to the 3rd highest setting, which gives 0.85" lift. 0.85" + 1.6" = about 2.5". When they do the alignment, ask them to maximize caster, even if it results in slight positive camber.
     
  13. Dec 24, 2011 at 7:52 AM
    #13
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    Thanks, will I need new UCAs even at 2.5"?
     
  14. Dec 24, 2011 at 8:18 AM
    #14
    KenLyns

    KenLyns Lord of War

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Member:
    #37674
    Messages:
    20,723
    Gender:
    Male
    Belly of the Beast
    Vehicle:
    4x4 TRD Off Road Full-Auto
    All-Pro Front Bumper, All-Pro UCAs, Icon ET Coilovers, Icon VS Rear Shocks, TSB Leafs, Timbren Bumpstops, CBI Sliders, ViAir Compressor, Klearz LED 3rd Brake Light, Pop-N-Lock Tailgate Handle, Husky Front Flaps, Deeza HD Sway Bar Links
    The stock UCAs will be a compromise at 2.5" - the shop can adjust the LCA cams to maximize caster, but they won't reach the desirable 3 deg., and in the process will end up with some positive camber, which is not good for handling. In the end it depends on what you can live with. Steering feel won't be as good as stock height, but an improvement over what you have now.

    If you decide to go for UCAs, go to a better shop. If they can butcher a simple strut lift like this, I wouldn't trust them with UCAs. The uniball UCAs require more care at installation than stock UCAs, and even Toyota dealers can't always do them correctly.
     
  15. Dec 24, 2011 at 9:23 AM
    #15
    OZ-T

    OZ-T All of those moments....will be lost.....in time

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    23,282
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    That's on a 1st gen .

    They provide 1.6" on the 2nd gens

    on the 2nd gens the billies can be at .85 , lots running that set up .
     
  16. Dec 24, 2011 at 9:38 AM
    #16
    4WD

    4WD cRaZy oLdmAn

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Member:
    #19185
    Messages:
    22,446
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Doug
    Gardnerville, Nevada
    Vehicle:
    No Truck
    Grey wire MOD, deck plate, diff breather MOD, 2nd gen. OME 883# on Tundra 5100's, OMD custom 3" leafsprings, rear shock relocation, Ivan Stewart TRD rims w/285/75/16's, '02 bumper MOD, Famous Fabrications sliders , LED interior/exterior lights, bed bar, Custom tube bumper, Old school KC day lighters,Red Ring 8" HID flood, Kenwood vhf 2M.. umm some other shit I'm forgetting right now

    You are right great OZ, I keep forgetting about the difference's with plastic gens. :D:D
     
  17. Dec 24, 2011 at 9:51 AM
    #17
    KenLyns

    KenLyns Lord of War

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Member:
    #37674
    Messages:
    20,723
    Gender:
    Male
    Belly of the Beast
    Vehicle:
    4x4 TRD Off Road Full-Auto
    All-Pro Front Bumper, All-Pro UCAs, Icon ET Coilovers, Icon VS Rear Shocks, TSB Leafs, Timbren Bumpstops, CBI Sliders, ViAir Compressor, Klearz LED 3rd Brake Light, Pop-N-Lock Tailgate Handle, Husky Front Flaps, Deeza HD Sway Bar Links
    ^Plastic doesn't rust; those of us outside the desert states can appreciate that. :D
     
  18. Dec 24, 2011 at 1:09 PM
    #18
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    Anyone have a decent pair of UCAs? Someone recommend me good shop in Bellingham WA.
     
  19. Dec 24, 2011 at 1:12 PM
    #19
    OZ-T

    OZ-T All of those moments....will be lost.....in time

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Member:
    #27584
    Messages:
    23,282
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Peter North
    British Columbia
    Vehicle:
    Mag Grey 09 Trd Sport DCLB 4x4
    OME 885x , OME shocks and Dakars , Wheelers SuperBumps front and rear , 275/70/17 Hankook ATm , OEM bed mat , Weathertech digifit floor liners , Weathertech in-channel vents , headache rack , Leer 100RCC commercial canopy , TRD bedside decals removed , Devil Horns by Andres , HomerTaco Satoshi
    I went with LR UCA's because I wanted a sealed ball joint for my winter driving conditions .
     
  20. Dec 24, 2011 at 1:18 PM
    #20
    =JSG=

    =JSG= [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2010
    Member:
    #41475
    Messages:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    2006 TRD OR 4x4
    aFe Pro-Dry S Air Filter, 5100's @ .85/ Eibach Coils, 2" AAL, Aero turbine 2525XL, TRD exhaust tip.
    Sounds good thanks, I will update the photos when I get the shocks installed correctly. Any idea how much it costs to get UCAs installed and I'm guessing will need alignment again.
     
To Top