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New lights from MRT

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by chris4x4, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. Mar 11, 2015 at 2:31 AM
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    Nice!

    Just remember, with these cannons, you can have any pattern you wish with all the different covers. Takes less than a minute to swap em out. THATS one thing I REALLY love about these lights. Some of the diffused don't work too great. Such as the amber diffused. But I think the clear colored covers would work best. I'll be looking into the clear amber covers first. For a spot beam in amber. The clear covers (non colored) in different beam patterns would work great too, such as the Euro or Elliptical. Might get those too!:)
     
  2. Mar 11, 2015 at 2:33 AM
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    hmmm will definely be something to look into. cant you change out the rigid ones as well?

    i think you can unscrew em and throw a diffused cover in
     
  3. Mar 11, 2015 at 2:43 AM
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    :notsure:

    I have the srq ambers with diffused on my hood. But idk if you can swap the lenses out. Even if so that's kind of a pain. But nice they added that option if so anyways;)

    For sure these little srq's dont put out hardly any light at all though. I use them as dtrl's. But they aren't comparable to the duallies. Think those are much brighter. But, on a bad note, I just recently had some condensation buildup in one of the rigids! So I'm not expecting them to last through many more more rain storms before they peter out:(
    Good news is I've had all my other China bars just as long and not one issue with those! And the cannons were installed during the last rainy day we had as well which was when the rigids were affected, and no ill effects:).

    Not trying to talk crap though, just stating a fact that i was kinda let down with rigid:(
     
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  4. Mar 11, 2015 at 2:45 AM
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    my roof bar gets a ton of condensation so im getting a replacement with new OSRAM chips or something with 4d optics.

    depending on the performance of the new bar i may be selling the bar as its not functional for my offroading habits. im always in high dust areas.
     
  5. Mar 11, 2015 at 8:28 AM
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    That's the biggest problem, and why I don't run a roof mount bar. Dust, and hood glare hurt distance vision. Especially out here.
     
  6. Mar 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM
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    yes its very bad out here in the desert
     
  7. Mar 11, 2015 at 8:42 AM
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    Harlan, When adding up Lumens, keep in mind, the Chinese made lights use a calculated lumen output, using the specs at ideal voltage (Usually 20v), of "Raw" lumens of the LED chip. Once installed in a housing, with lens, the actual output is significantly less. Ive seen an average of 50% less output than what a Chinese manufacture claims. I have found this out by comparing lights that have a certified/tested and documented output, and comparing LUX readings. KC (for example) has very accurate ratings, as their tests have nearly matched mine. Rigid under rates theirs (or tests at a different distance), while MRT is severely under rating their lights.
     
  8. Mar 11, 2015 at 8:25 PM
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    Yeah I know:( I wish there was a way to really test them myself. I imagine my numbers are actually lower. For one, my evo primes clones are rated the same as the actual evo prime from vision x. Obviously that's not gonna be true when it's got different circuitry management and crees instead of luminus. The optics though on the other hand are the same exact vision x uses, as well as the housing. Two, vision x lists both raw lumens as well as theoretical lumens. I'm wondering if they, or anyone for that matter, can actually test the actual output. Perhaps that's why they all list them as 'raw' lumens? I'm not very knowledgeable on how they test them. I read up a little on lumen spheres. And I think they're only so big so you can't fit a full size bar in there. And Idk how those lux meters work but those don't measure lumens do they? Plus from what little I browsed online, those things are pricey!

    Anyways.. yeah I do keep that in mind. But I just decided to list it like everyone else does. I basically consider it , as well as other ratings I see, as a base rating on the performance. because for the most part, even though they're probly inaccurate, it's a good starting point to judge the brightness when comparing to other bars. And I certainly agree there's lots of exaggerations on China bars. In their lumens ratings as well as over exposed pictures to make them appear brighter than they really are.

    Do you know if there is in fact a way to test my lumens output? Either of each bar or total output? Maybe a shop or someone that has a way of testing it? Because that's something I would like to learn about and be able to test in the future. If all that's available is one of those lux meters, then I may be willing to invest in one. Although most light bars don't really specify lux ratings. I'll have to look into lux and learn how it all works and how it's compared to lumens ratings.. I see cheap ones as well as nice expensive ones.. Any input on the options for those too by chance?

    Thanks:)
     
  9. Mar 11, 2015 at 8:37 PM
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    In short, Lumens is the total amount or light output from a source. Lux is a unit of light measurement taking area into account. In other words, light intensity. Kinda like Manufactures Horsepower claims, vs. real world dyno at the wheels. A manufacture can claim 20,000 lumens, while another can claim 10,000. Get the 2 side by side, and the lower lumen light can by brighter. This can be due to optical quality of the lens, rated input power. reflectors, etc. Put a pair of fake Oakley glasses next to real ones. They both let light thru, but when you hold them under light, under magnification, you can see solid particles in the lens of the fake ones. This impedes light, even though your eye cant see the imperfections. Same applies to lighting. I personally prefer LUX as a method, as it tells you exactly how much light intensity is being given. As far as LUX meters go, I haven't used any side by side, but I can talk to my friend and ask him if there is much difference.
     
  10. Mar 11, 2015 at 8:39 PM
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    Oh, and as for manufactures the list their tests, KC Hilites actually lists their test data, and when I have tested, my testing has been very similar to the results they got, so they list accurate light outputs.
     
  11. Mar 11, 2015 at 9:04 PM
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    Hmm. Lux does sound like a better way to test for sure then. Because lumens seem like just a basis on how much light total is being put out, but the actual usable light will certainly be less. But one thing I'm curious on, is how you could measure that usable light... Seems to me with a lux meter, intensity will vary throught the light spectrum at different angles, as well as distances. But I assume that you'd be looking for peak intensity? Because you could have a spot bar, such as the light cannons that have a peak intensity straight out, and be comparable to peak intensity of a light bar. But with a full size light bar, you're gonna have much more usable light with a bigger spread. Seems like you wouldn't be able to test something like that, except of course the peak intensity. Maybe testing it at different angles? Like a lux rating for in front of the truck, and a few ratings at different angles out to the sides?
     
  12. Mar 11, 2015 at 9:11 PM
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    Yeah, Lumens is tested on the emitter, not in the light housing, in most cases. When I test, I test at 125 feet in front of the light, then meter at the hotspot, and move 15' from center in both directions, to see how the "spread" is. A bright light isn't very good (my opinion) if it has a bright hotspot, but dims greatly 5 feet from center one way or the other. My personal preference is 10 feet of coverage from center at 125 feet, with no light drop, for my "main" lights. When you test, you need to make sure the meter is clearly facing the light. I also try not to test beyond 20 feet from center, as reading drop off greatly.
     
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    Great info. Thanks. I'll definitely have to get a lux meter then. At some point.. maybe I'll try one of the cheaper ones first. But will be hard to say how accurate readings will be compared to the higher end ones. Let me know what your friend says!:)

    Because as you can see in that last pic I posted, I've got a pretty damned good spread of light imo. Of course that's all lights combined. But even the roof bar alone, is pretty spectacular, and has a pretty wide spread and lots of usable light. So when I got these cannons from chas, I was pretty impressed with the spill they gave off too. I was expecting a pencil beam alone... I had considered getting one of those 4d bars with osrams leds, but after seeing that even with a combo pattern, I was not impressed that it was still basically a spot bar. I had high hopes because they CLAIM to have 40k lumens. But the usable light isn't really much. It's a great spot bar and probly shoots down range good, but I like to have a combination of that as well as a nice flood spread with no hot spots. I think I accomplished that pretty well with my setup. without even trying I might add. ha. So these cannons certainly helped and gave me a bit more light down range. Even though it's hard to tell with all my other lights on at the same time. But after wiring them up temporarily with the switch and no other lights on, I was really impressed..
     
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    Yeah, I'll let you know what he says. I have a message into him now.
     
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    Cool. I'm really curious what kind of readings I'll get with my setup. The only question though, is finding someone with a setup that I can compare to. And I don't even have any buddies out here:( I suppose I could get a thread started when the time comes to call out people with lux meters to post some readings:)
     
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    Yeah, just make sure the distance is all the same. There will be variations due to airborne particulates, but its still close enough.
     
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    Ok, my Buddy said there isn't much difference between the expensive ones, and less expensive ones, and doesn't see the need to spend more money, so get the one you like. Make sure it reads in LUX, as some of the less expensive ones don't.
     
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    Sweetness. Thanks man!:)
     
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    Bumpin for some sweet lights..
     
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    How do these compare to a 20" double row bar or a pair of the "Kragen" 4" HIDs?

    I'm trying to decide what to run on the front of the buggy. 20" bar is the max width I can fit up front. Also what was on previously, so that is my main comparison. No previous complaints, but I'd rather not run one all the way across in front of the radiator.

    Either of the ~4" round lights can be off to the sides and not blocking a bunch of the core. Similar ballpark price wise for a pair of rounds or a double row 20.

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