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New Tires/Leveling kit opposite Rake

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by mkowalick, Apr 8, 2021.

  1. Apr 8, 2021 at 7:43 AM
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    mkowalick

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    Greetings, I've recently installed new tires/rims and a pro comp (3") leveling kit to my 2014 tacoma. I love the look of the new tires (265/75-r16) and I had originally purchased the leveling kit to avoid front rub. Turns out after all is said and aligned the rear of the truck sits lower than the front. You can see in my original picture it is clearly raking in the same direction.

    My question is...

    I was told it may take a bit to "settle" ?
    Could it be my cap weight?
    Could it be the decked system (230lbs)
    Should I take out the leveling kit all together?
    Should I put rear spacers to even out?
    Add a leaf springs?
    Does the weight of passengers (200-300lbs) level it
    Will this effect my truck meanwhile? 170592251_354418312640860_7265515487939527093_n.jpg170424497_467641114558880_7403236620296614202_n.jpg
     
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  2. Apr 8, 2021 at 1:24 PM
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    It won't settle that much, and passenger weight won't help. You will need more in the rear, or less in the front.
    Lots of guys drive around like that on purpose, so it won't hurt anything unless you installed something incorrectly. Post some pics.
    Which kit did you install? Spacer front and block rear? AAL? Post a link.
     
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  3. Apr 8, 2021 at 1:31 PM
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    It won't level out since ProComp are a spacer lifts. Coil/leaf lifts will settle as the spring compress a bit and the metal fatigues, spacers will not compress...

    With Decked Drawers and a topper, you're running 400-500 lbs of constant bed weight, you need a stiffer leaf pack in the back. Dakar HD, or the Dobbinson Stage 2 would both do well, gonna cost $500-600 for leafs, bushings and u-bolts. You could also run an add a leaf, the Headstrong 3 leaf is ... OK, will give you probably 1-1.5" and cost a lot less ($200).

    Alternatively, you can add a 1" block to the rear leaf pack. It will level the truck but do nothing to offset the fact that you're carrying more weight than OEM leafs are really intended to carry.
     
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  4. Apr 8, 2021 at 1:43 PM
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    I'm not disagreeing with you, but his before/after pics show he didn't have negative rake before he lifted. Unless he added weight after he lifted, it should be closer to level.
    He has more negative rake than a 3" front spacer/2" rear block would normally give him, even if he was level before he started. I want to see what he installed. Something else is wrong.
     
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  5. Apr 8, 2021 at 1:44 PM
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    as the guy above says, its because of the extra weight on the back. you'll need either an Add-A-Leaf, or get a whole new leaf pack. Old Man Emu has leaf packs that are meant to work with about 500-600 lbs of constant weight in/on the bed which is right about where you are.
     
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  6. Apr 8, 2021 at 2:29 PM
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    ^What he said.

    It doesn't look to me like your current setup has a block in the rear. If that Pro-Comp kit comes with a 3" front and 2" spacer it definitely shouldn't look like what we're seeing here.

    My truck came with a 3" spacer lift in front and 1" block in the rear. Despite being labeled as a "leveling" kit the rear was still a tad lower than the front (and this was with NO added weight in the rear). With your added weight and what looks like no rear lift block it's no wonder it's so imbalanced.

    What direction you take is dependent on what you want to do with the truck. Easy option is to just remove the spacer lift. But, if you want some extra height then you'd want to lift the rear to have it better match the front.
     
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  7. Apr 8, 2021 at 2:30 PM
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    If you didn’t lift the rear at least 2” it was always gonna be nose high.
     
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  8. Apr 9, 2021 at 8:23 AM
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    Sorry for the late reply. The pro comp kit I purchased was only a front “leveling kit” advertised at 3” sitting at about 2.75” my original intention was to give extra space for the larger tires more than to reduce rake, and mistakingly assumed Tacoma’s had a larger rake than they do

    aesthetically adding a 2” or even 3” block spacer to the rear would I’m assuming push it back to near level?

    Even in the original photo I’ve had the topper and decked system installed and you can see it slightly dipping. Keep in mind I’m not looking to do major off road more so than fire trails and the occasional trip to the mountains in the winter. I am pleased with the overall look of the 3” in the front
     
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    I’m pretty sure it’s installed properly and it’s my mistake for assuming the Tacoma needed a leveling kit in the first place (figured it would help make room for tires too)

    3” spacer block seems to be the most cost effective way to get it level, but I’m slightly concerned on the long term effects of both
     
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    its definitely the cheapest route, but if given the weight you have on the bed, you're right to be a little concerned on the effects. your leafs are going to wear out and sag a lot quicker, and you'll probably risk damage on bumps since the weight on the bed will make it much more likely to bottom out the rear suspension.

    the best cost effective option would be an Add-A-Leaf. It'll lift the rear enough to level it out, and give you the extra payload capacity so you won't wear out or risk damaging your rear suspension. It's not as good as replacing the leaf pack with one meant to carry that kind of load, but it'll be much better than just a block lift.
     
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    Although it seems like it should be objective, "level" seems to be a subjective thing. IMO, for a "level" truck you'd need a 1.5" block paired with the 3" front spacer. Level looks OK but once you put any weight in the back then it's sagging again. So I personally prefer to keep the factory rake in place as I think it looks better and performs better. With your added weight in the back you may need more than a 1.5" block.

    What sort of driving are you going to be doing? The general consensus is that blocks/spacers are fine for looks but you'll run into lack of performance and possible increased failures if you actually plan to USE your truck for truck things like hauling and off-roading.

    Your wheels may be playing a factor depending on the offset, but typically you don't need any lift to accommodate the size tires you have. And actually, a 1-3" lift doesn't actually provide more tire clearance so you could just ditch that 3" spacer lift. If tire clearance was your only reason for the lift kit then I'd reconsider that choice as there are likely better ways to accomplish what you want.

    Also, don't forget to break out a tape measure. You can pretty easily measure truck height to help you make a better estimate of how much higher/lower you want to go. If you'd done this first you would have realized a 3" lift in front with no lift in rear was going to leave you with a very saggy rear and you could have changed plans before you made a purchase.
     
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    Thanks for the help, considering all options but price is a huge factor as I’ve already invested a solid amount into it.

    As mentioned I’m not often going down more than dirt roads and the occasional beach/mountain trip. So I’m heavily leaving into a couple of block spacers but don’t know the long term effects of this for mainly daily driving if any
     
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    the daily driving issue is that the stock leaf packs will wear out/sag a lot quicker, and you run the risk of bottoming out and breaking something if you go over a bump (this is true whether you put a block lift on it, or not).

    That's why we're recommending something that increases the load carrying capacity of the rear suspension, the Add-a-Leaf or a new leaf pack, ideally.
     
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    Thanks @DarthPow looks like the heavy duty pack is about $700 not sure when the budget will call for that. Any other brands or links you can send over?
     
  17. Apr 9, 2021 at 11:07 AM
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    the headstrong AAL, either the single or progressive would be a decent alternative. you can sometime find them used. I'm actually about to swap my single AAL for the progressive 3-leaf. I'd send it over to you, but I see you're in NJ, so shipping it might be cost prohibitive.
     
  18. Apr 22, 2021 at 9:49 PM
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    Have you considered air bags?
    Like some Firestone Ride Rite air bags?
    Either way sounds like you may need to replace your shocks in the back too if you want to bring it up that much to level it with the front.
     

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