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New York: Microstamping legislation passes Assembly

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Packman73, May 13, 2010.

  1. Packman73

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    New York: Microstamping legislation passes Assembly


    The measure would require semiautomatic pistols manufactured or delivered to a licensed dealer in this state to be capable of microstamping ammunition (A.6468C/Schimel). The bill would ensure that when a gun is fired, information identifying the make, model and serial number of the gun is stamped onto the cartridge.


    Read About It:
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    :facepalm:
    As if criminals won't use revolvers or stolen pistols like they do now.:rolleyes:
     
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    great, now calis next...even though we can only have 10rd mags and starting 2011 only buy 50 rds per month...
     
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    I don't even think the technology for this exists. They are just trying to stop any gun being sold in that state. Just like the guns passing inspection to be sold in Cali. And they took the 50 rounds per month off that law in order to pass it. Besides, that was only transfers between friends that was restricted. The only thing that law did was ban online sales and restrict access to ammo at stores.
     
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    That was going to be my next post.
     
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    Mayor McCheese, I mean Bloomberg, just wants to ban gun sales outright. Perfect plan actually. Make a law take effect in which the technology doesnt exist to allow anyone to abide by it. And like you said. The criminals will still do what they do and crime will not change at all.
     
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    That is indeed his evil plan. I'm very interested in how this will all play out.
     
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    While Wiki aren't the most sound of examples for academic research...I think this one pretty summarizes that the tech does exist but is still very hotly debated both on principle and implementation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_microstamping

    Jus sayin...
     
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    It's not reliable enough to work everytime from what I understand.
     
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    This doesn't require any new technology. All a manufacturer has to do is etch the gun's serial number on the inside of the chamber and it will be imprinted on each fired cartridge case. I would think that this would be a good idea in some cases; for example, for firearms issued to police. LOL, it would also stop any arguments as to who it was who didn't police their brass at the range.
     
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    There goes saving your casings for reloading...
     
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    Edit: I just read the Wiki. The only problem with etching the firing pin or the bolt face is that these components are easily replaced or exchanged.
     
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    That isn't really a good reason to forego using it tho. If it doesn't restict access to weapons for the general public- but it can provide info to police about the movement of illegal guns, even some of the time, Why not use it??
     
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    Because it's unreliable and the consumer has to pick up the costs associated with compliance. Not to mention that this will only track lawful gun owners and not criminals at all. Criminals will file off or switch out anything that gives them away assuming that the gun is not already stolen.
     
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    Exactly. Criminals will just use guns without this technology. All we will be doing is paying through the nose for the increased cost of the manufacturing. That $500 Glock ( or XD -- packer ) is going to cost you $700. Whether it increases that much to produce them is one thing, but the fees associated with puting them on the market will cost us. The state of New York will most likely be charging through the nose to have these weapons tested like Cali does.
     
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    Exactly! This is why no amount of gun control will ever work. Criminals are already breaking a law so whats going to stop them from breaking this new one, or the next one, or the next one???? Why don't people get that??? Gun control only affects people who are law abiding citizens, not criminals!!!


    And yes it sucks for reloading as well. Depending on how it is done. if it is in the firing pin then it will not be affected as the primer will just be punched out.
     
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    True. Then if that is the case, then Mr. Bad Guy will switch out the firing pin or file the end.
     
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    C'mon guys, gun control is great... if you're in control of the guns. Mayor Bloomberg puts out his reports every year with a grade rating for every state. States with high gun control laws get good grades, those without, such as Utah, get poor grades. What he fails to mention is how even though Cali has some of the toughest laws, gun related crimes increase. Utah, however, drops it's crime rate every year. The stats show that those states which have more relaxed gun control laws almost always show a drop in crime. Restrict the guns, restrict law abiding citizens. Gun laws do nothing to control criminals. It's illegal to kill, so I dont. Hasn't stopped a single murderer from killing yet. Laws will only affect those that follow them.
     
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    The main problem I see with this is that relatively few crimes are committed by the person who goes to a gun store, undergoes a background check, and then fills out the federal paperwork for a new gun. If such a gun is sold or stolen then every time it's fired it links back to the original purchaser, not to the person that actually has the firearm in his possession.

    Also, what's to prevent someone from replacing his firing pin or bolt? If an etched firing pin breaks in my New-York purchased gun will I have to fill out state-sanctioned paperwork and submit it to the manufacturer who will then, at considerable cost to me, etch a new firing pin and have me install it in front of an official so that the government knows that the part was only installed in my gun and not someone else's? This bill, if passed, is going to open up a whole new can of worms as far as regulated gun parts goes.
     
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    Exactly! How about my 1911, I have about 3 different firing pins at home. Am I to have each one with the stamp?

    And technically, no matter where the "microstamp" is, I'm sure that with a simple file or scribe it can be modified or made illegible. Not that I'm advocating anyone do this, just pointing out that no matter what they do criminals will always find ways around it.
     
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