Newspaper Publishes Names

Bobert14 · Jan 5, 2013

Reformed crooks say the New York newspaper that published a map of names and addresses of gun owners did a great service – to their old cronies in the burglary trade.
The information published online by the Journal-News, a daily paper serving the New York suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, could be highly useful to thieves in two ways, former burglars told FoxNews.com. Crooks looking to avoid getting shot now know which targets are soft and those who need weapons know where they can steal them.
“That was the most asinine article I’ve ever seen,” said Walter T. Shaw, 65, a former burglar and jewel thief who the FBI blames for more than 3,000 break-ins that netted some $70 million in the 1960s and 1970s. “Having a list of who has a gun is like gold - why rob that house when you can hit the one next door, where there are no guns?
"What they did was insanity," added Shaw, author of "License to Steal," a book about his criminal career.
The newspaper published the online map last month alongside an article titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood." The map included the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
While the paper ostensibly sought to make a point about gun proliferation in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the effort backfired. A blogger reacted with a map showing where key editorial staffers live and some outraged groups have called for a boycott of parent company Gannett’s national advertisers. Ironically, the newspaper has now stationed armed guards outside at least one of its offices.
“They just created an opportunity for some crimes to be committed and I think it’s exceptionally stupid,” said Bob Portenier, 65, a former burglar and armed house robber turned crime prevention consultant.
Professional burglars are always looking for an edge, and like most folks, they read the paper, said Portenier.
“Criminals are always looking for opportunity and words travels through the grapevine—burglars trade secrets and when you see something like that in the paper, that’s is something burglar’s are going to talk about,” Portenier said. “‘Did you see in the paper where all these people have guns and their addresses?’ and that kind of stuff, they’ll say.”
While some burglars may use the newspaper’s information to avoid guns, Portenier said others will target homes with guns. The newspaper’s decision could even lead to legally-owned guns proliferating on the street, he said.
“That’s one of the first things we’d check out—guns are on the top of the list of what you want to steal,” he said. “They can walk out with a shotgun and a couple of handguns and sell them on the street for $300 or $400 a pop. They can sell them to a gangbanger who ends up killing someone."
Frank Abagnale, who was portrayed by Leonardo DiCaprio in the 2002 film “Catch Me if You Can,” and is perhaps the most famous reformed thief to ever earn a legitimate living by offering the public insight into the criminal mind, called the newspaper’s actions “reprehensible.”
“It is unbelievable that a newspaper or so called journalist would publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners, including federal agents, law enforcement officers and the like,” said Abagnale, who noted that he grew up in the suburban New York area served by the Journal-News. “This would be equivalent to publishing the names of individuals who keep substantial sums of money, jewelry and valuables in their home.”
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/0...papers-gun-map-wouldve-made-job-easier-safer/

Teniente · Jan 5, 2013

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...records-is-a-flashpoint?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=6

Bobert14 · Jan 5, 2013

Law enforcement officials from a New York region where a local paper published a map identifying gun owners say prisoners are using the information to intimidate guards.
Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco, who spoke at a news conference flanked by other county officials, said the Journal News' decision to post an online map of names and addresses of handgun owners Dec. 23 has put law enforcement officers in danger.
"They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live. That's not acceptable to me," Falco said, according to Newsday.
Robert Riley, an officer with the White Plains Police Department and president of its Patrolman’s Benevolent Association, agreed.
"You have guys who work in New York City who live up here. Now their names and addresses are out there, too," he said adding that there are 8,000 active and retired NYPD officers currently living in Rockland County.
Local lawmakers also say that they intend to introduce legislation that prevents information about legal gun owners from being released to the public.
The newspaper published the online map last month alongside an article titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood." The map included the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
While the paper ostensibly sought to make a point about gun proliferation in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the effort may have backfired. A blogger reacted with a map showing where key editorial staffers live, and some outraged groups have called for a boycott of parent company Gannett’s national advertisers. Ironically, the newspaper has now stationed armed guards outside at least one of its offices.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/0...y-gun-owner-data-officers/print#ixzz2H779tV2i

stewartx · Jan 6, 2013

Joe D said: ↑

Rich & Stewart please stop confusing people with facts. I much I prefer those who shoot from the hip just because it "feels good" to them.
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LOL. Sorry, I got carried away.

the.sight.picture · Jan 6, 2013

stewartx said: ↑

LOL. Sorry, I got carried away.
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hey now, I shoot from the bent elbow at 3-5 feet

on a different note, I have heard that particular newspaper has hired armed guards to protect themselves..ironic

stewartx · Jan 6, 2013

^^ Oh, yeah. Protecting themselves is just fine and dandy. It's our protection and security they want to remove.

Anyway, I trust "those people" even less than the government. I'm sure more than one has imagined what they could do if their hired flunkies are someday the only civilians armed.

Teniente · Jan 6, 2013

This just in.......
The media reveals location of gun owners in Texas.

StZu · Jan 6, 2013

Teniente[OP] said: ↑

This just in.......
The media reveals location of gun owners in Texas.

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Amen

Joe D · Jan 7, 2013

isu2014 said: ↑

Woot! I will be unaffected when guns are gone.
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Assuming quoted text either means you don't own guns, don't plan to own guns or if they were banned you will possess them illegally.

Based on the quoted text above and IMO, people don't understand that rather or not they own a gun (or even ever plan on buying a gun or not) they still will be affected. What they don't understand is they will not longer be able to have the same selection, abilty or options. They will also be giving up at least more of 1 of 10 of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights that have been in place and worked fine for a little over 222 years.

Considering some of the following data from the CDC.

US population = 311,000,000 +
US deaths per year due to tabacco = 443,000 +/-
US deaths per year due to motor vehicles = 32,000 +
US deaths due to murders commited using guns = 11,500 +/- (the vast majority not involving AR15/AK47 style guns).

Other available data.

The average "gun murder" perp has more than one murder per crime event.

Excluding military, total existing fire arms in the US = 140,000,000 + (will the new rules change the avalaibility especially to perpetrators already breaking the law by committing murder).

The US does not have the highest gun to citizen ratio...Switzerland does and has a much lower gun related murder rate (it's not the guns).

Average number of victims per mass murder event where LEOs stopped the crime = 14.29.

Average number of victims per mass murder event where the intended victims were armed and stopped the crime = 2.33.

Considering the above, it seems tabacco should be the biggest target in the hunt for "helping" citizens not creating even more laws that serve to violate citizens rights.

stewartx · Jan 7, 2013

Teniente[OP] said: ↑

This just in.......
The media reveals location of gun owners in Texas.

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LOL. Of course, a bit of an exaggeration. Since a large percentage don't own guns in Texas, there should be at least a few blank areas (minus orange dots) on that map (around liberal Austin, for example).

Joe D · Jan 7, 2013

stewartx said: ↑

(around liberal Austin, for example).
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Stew, Stew, Stew, Joe D believes you are cornfused. I've always understood liberals to be consummate defenders of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and additional amendments. Could Joe D be wrong?

stewartx · Jan 7, 2013

Joe D said: ↑

Stew, Stew, Stew, Joe D believes you are cornfused. I've always understood liberals to be consummate defenders of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and additional amendments. Could Joe D be wrong?
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Oe, Oe, Oe, this isn't the place for political discussions. Thus, let me just say some liberals seem to not give a darn about the Bill of Rights unless it somehow benefits them or their ilk. Now, I'm certainly pushing the limits of my political comment allocation at this point, so will not say anymore.

Joe D · Jan 7, 2013

stewartx said: ↑

Oe, Oe, Oe, this isn't the place for political discussions. Thus, let me just say some liberals seem to not give a darn about the Bill of Rights unless it somehow benefits them or their ilk. Now, I'm certainly pushing the limits of my political comment allocation at this point, so will not say anymore.
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As per the norm Stew is correct. I too shall cease and desist this line of thought as I seem to miss judge the lines of acceptability on certain topics.

Beavis0076 said: ↑

does Joe D have a brother named Workman?
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He is unable to deny nor confirm if said sibling exists but, fears he has already said too much.

Bobert14 · Jan 8, 2013

In the aftermath of Sandy Hook, the Journal News in upstate New York published a map with the addressees of all gun permit holders in Westchester, Rockland, and Putnam. The nation was rightly outraged at this violation of basic privacy, and the threat implicit in the publication.
Just in case that was too subtle, Gawker has now published a complete list of every licensed gun owner in New York City. The headline? “Here Is a List of All the Assholes Who Own Guns in New York City.” Writes the author, John Cook:
Below is a 446-page list of every licensed gun owner in New York City. I obtained it from the NYPD two-and-a-half years ago via a Freedom of Information Law request. Because the NYPD is more interested in raping and/oreating ladies and spying on Muslims than it is in honoring public records law, the list contains only the names, and not the addresses, of the licensees…
Here's the full, searchable, NYPD list. (And for the record, they are not all assholes. Some of them need guns for legitimate reasons for their jobs, like providing security for assholes.)
Cook singles out Sean Hannity, Roger Ailes, former Morgan Stanley CEO John Mack, Howard Stern, Don Imus, and Donald Trump for criticism. Apparently owning a gun permit is now enough to get you labeled an “asshole” from a left that considers all gun owners evildoers.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/08/Gawker-Posts-Full-List-of-NYC-Gun-Owners

Bobert14 · Jan 17, 2013

Two handguns and two pistol permits were stolen from the New City home of a man whose name and address are listed on the website of a local newspaper as possessing gun permits, police said.
The thieves ransacked the house Wednesday night, breaking into two safes on the home's third floor and stealing a third safe. The guns were in the stolen safe, police said.
Clarkstown police said they had no evidence the burglary was connected to the controversial map.
"The burglary is still under investigation and there are no facts to support this correlation at this time," Clarkstown Sgt. Joanne Fratianni said in a statement. "If the investigation develops further information, it will be released accordingly."
Family members at the burglarized home refused to speak Thursday and police are keeping reporters off the property on the quiet suburban street.
"At this early point in the investigation, we believe it is a random crime and the home was not targeted," Clarkstown Det. Lt. Charles Delo told News12.
The burglary comes less than a week after a White Plains homeowner who, too, was listed on the Journal News website as having gun permits, arrived home to find his home burglarized with jewelry missing and an attempted break-in of his gun safe. The thieves were not successful and no guns were stolen.
White Plains Police Commissioner David Chong said Monday it was "premature" to connect that burglary to the website listing but said it was part of the police investigation.
The guns that were stolen in New City included a .45 caliber Colt revolver and a .22 caliber Iver Johnson. Cash, U.S. Savings Bonds and jewelry were also stolen.
The homeowner's stolen pistol permits were for Rockland and Orange counties.
The Journal News has come under fire from elected officials and police groups for posting the interactive map Dec. 23 that showed the names and addresses of all legal gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.
The newspaper has not responded to numerous calls for comment.
The head of the White Plains Police Benevolent Association, Robert Riley, has been one of the fiercest critics of the Journal News map, saying it puts the lives of police and ordinary citizens in potential danger.
"The Journal News printed a virtual treasure map for criminals," Riley said Monday. "It lets the bad guys know who is vulnerable, due to not having a gun permit, and where to go if they wanted a gun."
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http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nat...-stolen-from-new-city-home-cops-say-1.4463741

Kala · Jan 17, 2013

^^^With the right lawyers someone could be rich.

Bobert14 · Jan 17, 2013

Kala said: ↑

^^^With the right lawyers someone could be rich.
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I know I would be. Retirement on that "publications" dime.

Haslefre · Jan 17, 2013

Bobert14 said: ↑

I know I would be. Retirement on that "publications" dime.
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In another state. Plus, money to get some guns back that you can legally have in another state.

Colt1195 · Jan 17, 2013

The best thing would to not require a permit to exercise your constitutional right.

Alaska does not require a permit to carry a loaded concealed handgun. Works just fine up there.

wileyC · Jan 17, 2013

Colt1195 said: ↑

The best thing would to not require a permit to exercise your constitutional right.

Alaska does not require a permit to carry a loaded concealed handgun. Works just fine up there.
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yep... when the gov't is allowed to collect information it becomes a liability to exploitation, ...either as a matter of accident, or by nefarious purposes as in this case...

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