NFL Trash Talkers Thread

I'm not sayin the NFL is rigged. All the calls for the Pats, whatever. I'm saying this game was horribly horribly horribly officiated and it 100% cost the Lions the game. There is no denying that. You'd think after the 1st bad call someone would have called down and been like "hey, that's a really bad blown call, you should watch that more carefully" instead of the exact same blown call happening not 8 plays later. I won't even start on the non PI call that was on Marvin Jones too... Lions are always on the short end of the stick though. How bout the phantom facemask call 2015?

 

Lions would’ve found a way to lose no matter what. They always do

 

I don’t want to get into it here but I believe the game is rigged...

 

Or allow review of those shit calls. They allow PI challenges which is a subjective call. If they had review on those "hands to the face" calls, it would have been a very easy decision to overturn. It's a clear cut call, there was either hands to the face, or there wasn't.

 

Idk maybe the people they have in the Headquarters watching the game? Allow a challenge like they do for PI... This goes for any black and white call in the league. Not just Monday's shit show.

 

Bad teams shouldn't have to rely on refs to win.

Good teams shouldn't lose because of a few bad calls.

 

Which is why they need to figure out something. The officiating is straight up ruining this game. Not even when I'm watching the Lions. They ruin games that should be good with ridiculous momentum-changing penalties weekend after weekend. I love my Lions, but I also love the game, and it's just not fun to watch anymore. I feel if something doesn't change, the amount of games I watch going forward will dwindle further and further until I just stop all together.

 

So you're saying all the bad teams should never win? Because bad calls can 100% lose a team a game. Momentum is a real thing in sports. A "bad" team beating a "good" team can instantly be fucked by a blown call shifting all their momentum the other way.

 

Making every call reviewable will slow the game down even more. Great for the NFL since they want as much commercial time as possible, horrible for actually watching a game.

Bad calls even out over time. Every team gets them and every team has calls go against them. Lions had every opportunity to put that game away, and instead left it up to the refs and the packers

 

Good players don't need momentum to change the pace of a game

 

I think the challenge flag on the PI is almost a good start. But they refuse to overturn anything unless it's Rams vs. Saints NFC championship game PI obvious. It's hard with those subjective calls, but calls like hands to the face most certainly is not subjective and can easily be fixed by a quick review. You know there's all those extra "officials" in the Headquarters watching all the calls go down. And even that call against the Lions for "unnecessary roughness" where the packer receiver got hit. The defender was making a clear attempt at the ball as was the receiver. There was literally nothing the Lion defender could do in that situation. That type of call should also be able to be reviewed and be like "ya, that's clearly not a penalty"

 

lol ok.

 

Clearly those are subjective because the refs went back and reviewed them and came to different conclusions than you. They only said the second hand to the face call was a mistake. So it’s not just pure black and white.

And the other call was also by the books a good call because there is no clause about the intent, only the result. It doesn’t matter if he was going for the ball, contact to the head is contact to the head. You can debate whether or not that’s how it should be, but that’s how the rule is currently written

 

How is hands to the face subjective? That's like saying I might have 2 arms, but I might not. I either have 2 arms or I don't, there's no subjectivity to it. Either hands were in the face, or they weren't.

Also, no, that is not the proper call. They both made a football play for the ball and it was a collision. Do you want the defender to not make a play? What if this was the Vikings? Your player made a defensive football play to try and come up with the ball and gets flagged because both players of the opposing teams were going for the ball? No. Most certainly not. The rule, taken from Operations.NFL.com clearly states: "It is a foul if a player lowers his head to initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent."

The defender did NOT lower his head to make contact with his opponent. He dove for a ball to make a defensive football play, as the receiver dove for the ball to make an offensive football play.

edit: here you go to prove the point further:
ARTICLE 8. UNNECESSARY ROUGHNESS
There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:

1. using the foot or any part of the leg to strike an opponent with a whipping motion (leg whip);
2. forcibly contacting a runner when he is out of bounds;
   Note: Defensive players must make an effort to avoid contact. Players on defense are responsible for knowing when a runner has crossed the boundary line, except in doubtful cases where he might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it.

1. a player of the receiving team who has gone out of bounds and blocks a kicking team player out of bounds during the kick. If this occurs on a kick from scrimmage, post-possession rules will apply if appropriate (9-5-1);
2. running, diving into, or throwing the body against or on a runner whose forward progress has been stopped, who has slid feet first, or who has declared himself down by going to the ground untouched and has made no attempt to advance (see 7-2-1-a-d);
3. running, diving into, or throwing the body against or on any player on the ground either before or after the ball is dead;
4. throwing the runner to the ground after the ball is dead;
5. unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (1) is out of the play or (2) should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead;
6. a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the down or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position. However, a kicker/punter is a defenseless player through the conclusion of the down (see 12-2-9-a–9); or
7. using any part of a player’s helmet or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent (Note: This provision does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent).

 

But you just got into it, here. ^

 

Because the penalty isn’t “any part of the hand at any point touching any part of the face for any amount of time”. It’s a forceable hand to the face or neck area for a prolonged period of time. Which is absolutely subjective.

On the other call, the NFL has made it clear that the onus is on the defensive player to not make helmet to helmet contact. In the postgame officiating report they specifically said it did not matter that he was going for the ball, and that he would’ve been called even if he made the interception. So yes, that may result in the defender having to alter the play they make in order to avoid the helmet to helmet contact. Sure that sucks, but the NFL is prioritizing player safety. They’ll never say no helmet to helmet contact unless you’re making a play for the ball, in that case feel free to take someone’s head off.

 

I think the games should play out the correct way.

Bad teams don't need help losing and good teams shouldn't get help to win!

 

The ‘Hands to the Face’ infraction will forever confuse me. The player carrying the ball stiff arms opponents in the FACE constantly... never a penalty!