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Nitto Ridge Grappler Review

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by double dee, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. Apr 11, 2019 at 4:18 PM
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    I have a roof mounted light bar and about 300 lbs of armor and an 80 lb tonneau. My average right now is 16.6 mpg. I drive a little aggressive and have the DCLB Sport, and run the same size tires. I run the E range.

    I don't think they are wearing correctly.

    There's no tread loss :D
     
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    How much of a lift??
     
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    I have both the Ridge Grapplers and the Trail Grapplers. My experience is totally different from yours. I find my Trail Grapplers are a little less noisy than the Ridge Grapplers. I have another 6 months of testing the Ridge Grapplers on the Tundra before I decide whether to replace my Trail Grapplers on the Tacoma with new ones or go with the Ridge Grapplers. Right now the slight edge for me is the Trail Grapplers.
     
  4. May 6, 2019 at 9:20 AM
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    Just got these 285/70r17 SL mounted. Will follow-up in a few weeks.
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  5. May 14, 2019 at 4:33 PM
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    Can you or someone school me on this? C load? I heard of something called LT but the C load? Also, I don't see many options when I search this size. I have an 18 tacoma sport, just want a decent all around, maybe light towing, nothing special. thanks.
     
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    Just looked on Nittos sight and they have the 265/70/17-115T listed at 43.65 lbs now..


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    Tire Overview
    The Ridge Grappler represents the next generation of the Nitto Grappler family of products which provides the best of both worlds from our mud-terrain and all-terrain product offerings. Featuring a revolutionary dynamic hybrid tread pattern, the Ridge Grappler provides a quiet and comfortable ride while the deep, aggressive sidewall lugs and tread pattern provide capable off-road performance.
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    17"

    LT255/80R17 E 121/118Q 217380 16.4 33.31 10.04 6.5-(7.0)-8.5 3195/2910 @ 80 54.96
    265/65R17 116T XL 217810 13.5 30.55 10.71 7.5-(8.0)-9.5 2756 @ 50 40.21
    265/70R17 115T 217940 13.5 31.65 10.71 7.0-(8.0)-9.0 2679 @ 44 43.65
    LT265/70R17 E 121/118Q 217100 16.4 31.65 10.71 7.0-(8.0)-8.5 3195/2910 @ 80 54.66
    LT285/70R17 E 121/118Q 217000 16.4 32.76 11.50 7.5-(8.5)-9.0 3195/2910 @ 80 57.89
    285/70R17 116Q 217710 13.5 32.76 11.50 7.5-(8.5)-9.5 2756 @ 44 48.74
    LT285/70R17 C 116/113Q 217010 16.4 32.76 11.50 7.5-(8.5)-9.0 2755/2535 @ 50 57.89
    LT285/75R17 C 117/114Q 217210 16.4 33.86 11.26 7.5-(8.0)-9.5 2835/2600 @ 50 65.08
    LT285/75R17 E 121/118Q 217200 16.4 33.86 11.26 7.5-(8.0)-9.5 3195/2910 @ 80 64.40
    LT295/70R17 E 121/118Q 217070 16.4 33.31 11.77 7.5-(8.5)-10.0 3195/2910 @ 80 64.72
    LT305/70R17 E 121/118Q 217080 16.4 33.86 12.24 8.0-(9.0)-9.5 3195/2910 @ 65 68.57
    LT315/70R17 E 121/118Q 217530 16.4 34.41 12.72 8.0-(9.5)-11.0 3195/2910 @ 65 70.83
    33x12.50R17LT E 120Q 217180 18.3 32.76 12.52 8.5-(10.0)-11.0 3085 @ 65 69.32
    35x12.50R17LT E 121Q 217020 18.3 34.76 12.52 8.5-(10.0)-11.0 3195 @ 65 75.45
    37x12.50R17LT D 124Q 217050 18.3 36.77 12.52 8.5-(10.0)-11.0 3525 @ 50 81.48
    37x13.50R17LT E 121Q 217450 18.3 36.77 13.58 8.5-(11.0)-11.0 3195 @ 65 87.04

























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    In the past, back when terms like Radial and Bias Ply were prominent in tire shops things were much easier to understand...............

    Tire Construction Methods
    The terms "Radial" and "Bias Ply" are used to describe the internal construction of a tire. The difference between them may seem small, but it has a significant impact on the way the tire performs.

    Tires are not just big rubber donuts. They are actually made by stacking layers of rubber and reinforcing fabric. Cotton was once used to reinforce tires, but now nylon, polyester, rayon, fiberglass, and even Kevlar are used. Each layer is called a "Ply". The difference between radial and bias ply tires is the way the plies are laid in relation to each other.

    Bias Ply Construction
    • The reinforcing cords are laid diagonally across the tire (usually 30° - 40° from the direction of travel), from bead to bead.
    • Each additional ply has the reinforcing cords laid at an opposing angle to the ply underneath it, creating a criss-cross pattern.
    • Most bias ply tires are 4 ply, meaning they have 4 layers of reinforcing fabric cords.
    • More plies = Stronger tires
    • 6 ply, 8 ply, and even 10 ply tires are available for heavier vehicles.
    • More rubber is then applied over the plies to create the tread.
    **One way to spot a bias ply tire is by recognizing the "Pie Crust" edge on the tread.**

    In a bias ply tire, the sidewall and the tread are both supported by the same reinforcing plies. This gives the tire certain characteristics.

    Radial Construction
    • The reinforcing cords are laid at a 90° angle from the direction of travel, from bead to bead.
    • Each additional ply is laid in the same direction as the one underneath it.
    • All the reinforcing cords run parallel to each other.
    • Reinforcing belts are added between the radial plies and the tread.
    • Belts are made from woven strands of steel, nylon, Kevlar, etc.
    • More rubber is then applied over the belts to create the tread.
    In a radial tire, the sidewall and the tread function as two independent parts of the tire. Radial tire construction has progressed since the early 1970's and has many benefits over bias ply construction.

    If you're wondering why you don't hear these two term that often it's because they are old and outdated. Nearly all car tires are Radial, and nearly all trailer tires are Bias Ply however.

    Here's even more info.............

    Light Truck Tire Designations - Examples
    The term "Light Truck" covers great variety of vehicles, such as vans, SUV's and light duty pickup trucks. This is one of the reasons why the tires are labeled in many ways. It is also important to know what sizing system is applied in a tire designation.

    There are several sizing systems for the light truck tire designations currently in use:

    1. 1. LT-Metric
    2. 2. LT-High Flotation
    3. 3. LT-Numeric
    4. 4. European Commercial Metric
    5. 5. P-Metric and
    6. 6. European Metric
    Tires for light truck applications can be classified in two groups:

    • Tires specially designed for the light trucks
    • Passenger car tires applied on the light trucks
    Tires specially designed for the light trucks
    • LT-Metric light truck tires
    • LT-High flotation light truck tires
    • LT-Numeric light truck tires
    • Euro commercial metric ("C" tires for vans)
    • Euro commercial numeric ("C" tires for vans)
    LT-Metric Tire Designation
    If a size designation begins with the letters "LT", it means that a tire is LT-Metric (Light Truck-Metric), designed for the light truck vehicles with load carrying capabilities usually of 3/4 and 1-ton.

    Light truck tires have the load range codes in a size designation (B, C, D and E) that shows the tire load and inflation pressure limits.

    Examples:

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    LT-High Flotation Tire Designation
    "LT" at the end of the designation denotes that tire is LT-High Flotation, Wide Base or LT-Numeric.

    The term "flotation" means that tire is capable to pass over the soft surfaces (e.g. loose sand, soft soil or mud) without sinking in. These tires "flotate" on the top of soft surfaces.

    Flotation tires are usually slightly larger than the other tires used on light trucks and require a wider rim/wheel.

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    LT-Numeric Tire Designation
    "LT" at the end of designation shows that a tire is capable to carry higher loads and tow heavy weight. These tires are designed for the medium and heavy-duty light trucks, some SUVs and full-size vans.

    Examples:

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    Euro Metric Commercial Tire Designation ("C" tires for vans)


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    Euro Numeric Commercial Tire Designation ("C" tires for vans)
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    Passenger car tires on a light truck
    • P-Metric passenger car tires applied on the light trucks
    • Euro-Metric passenger car tires applied on the light trucks
    In many cases new light trucks and SUVs are coming with the P-Metric or Euro-Metric tires as the original equipment (OE). Although they are not specially designed for the light trucks almost 80% of all OE tires on the light trucks and practically all SUVs in USA are the P-Metric.

    Here are some examples of the size designations for these two groups:

    P-Metric Passenger Car Tire Designation
    The letter "P" in front of the size designation shows that a tire is designed for the passenger cars but label without the "P" letter implies that the tire is the European metric - intended for passenger cars.

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    Euro-Metric Passenger Car Tire Designation
    Keep in mind that the P-Metric and the Euro-Metric tires in the same dimension are not equal and they are not fully interchangeable. They have differences in the load and inflation features particularly if they are used on a light truck.

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    Continued......

    Nitto will tell you though if you call them, that both their C load range and E load range tires have the same amount of plys, that they are just laid out differently. That's why the two weigh nearly the same. They told me at the time I bought mine 2 years ago that they listed the E load range as 10 ply because that's what people understood more easily.

    So then I asked them about the rubber compound. Nope, the same.

    They did tell me the E load range plus were laid out in such a way to increase the sidewall strength which in turn makes them more suitable for heavier towing and bed cargo loads.

    All tires have a load rating. So do wheels. The max we can tow, when properly equipped is 6,500 lbs. That's the cargo of the trailer. Not how much in the bed. But the math is simple. Add the weight of the truck, including all cargo and passengers, + the max trailer tongue weight (10% of that 6,500 lbs), or 650 lbs, then take that total and that is the max weight that 4 tires can safely support. So if you look at the C load range (x 4 tires) and the E load range (x 4 tires) and as long as those are more than your max load weights, you're good.

    Right, I know the E load range tires have more rated load carrying capacity than needed but when your towing at the max at extreme speeds you should have that added strength.

    Now, a long time ago, a guy much smarter than me explained that since E load range tires are designed to hold more air (PSIs) that the downward pressure of the tire is greater at the contact patch than the same size contact patch of a lesser PSI tire.

    I'm no aerospace engineer but I do have enough sense to know that since people have been off roading they have been letting the air out of their tires to some extent. Why? Because flatter tires change shape and the contact patch gets larger. More rubber on the surface of terra firma will always provide more traction. It also allows the tire to conform to the shapes of rocks etc.

    So I fell like a stronger sidewall tire deflated will always be better than one that's softer.

    So you would most definitely be happy with a Nitto Ridge Grappler with a C load range but there's absolutely no reason not to get the E load range.

    There's a saying that applies to just about anything. "It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it".

    Hope this all helps you some @PaulTac
     
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  9. May 14, 2019 at 8:44 PM
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    Like, so many.
    I’ve had both. The NTGs are definitely quieter on road. No question. I recommend those tires a lot. But for me, it’s the NRGs all day. I was trail riding this weekend and it’s been really rainy here and those things cleared mud incredibly well.
     
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  10. May 14, 2019 at 8:45 PM
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    Good to know. They clear snow excellent as well.
     
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    Wow, heck yea it does, thanks so much for taking the time. I know I could have googled a lot of this but sometimes getting it from a member that actually knows what he is talking about helps to cut down the sifting through crap on google time. Thanks so much!
     
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    You're welcome.

    In all fairness, every person will experience different results from any tire. I've run a lot of different tires on a multitude of different trucks, and even a SUV.

    I honestly really like the Goodyear Duratracs. A lot of people do too. Mine, on my 4Runner started to wear unevenly, got louder, and lost traction to the point they became unsafe on road. That was at about 30k miles. It's also about what I have on my Ridge Grapplers right now. Those are still performing exceptionally. Quiet, smooth, grippy, and still look like they have half their original tread. I'm getting ready to rotate them (I do it myself every 5k miles) and when I do I'll measure the tread wear and post it up.

    There are other tires I'm interested in too.

    Pro Comp has one, Goodyear too. Cooper has a seriously popular tire in our community. Of course, BFGs are up there in conversations and reviews. I still say it's likely the most widely used tire on the market. It suits a lot of people and they are die hard fans. I ran them a long time ago, on two different trucks. For me, during Maryland winters, they sucked.

    I like the Ridge Grapplers. When I need to replace these I think I'm going up to 285s, or maybe even 295s, but I'm going to have them mounted on steel wheels or some other take off, and have a set of Terra Grapplers mounted on my Ray 10s. Then I'll be able to swap them out for wheeling and winter use.

    We'll see.
     
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    Sounds awesome, great information, thanks again. I am still pretty new here but I will be watching your posts among other, lots of good info!
     
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    Welcome to the forum! :hattip:

    There is tons of great info here. A lot of times these products speak for themselves. :thumbsup:
     
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    I’m thinking that I’ll probably go with a set of the ridge grapplers. 35s on 17” wheels. One thing I’m not certain about is what width wheel I can put them on. I’m seeing people putting them on stock wheels which seems too narrow for these 12.5” wide tires. I’m not looking to blow a bunch of $ on fancy wheels that I can bash the crap out of. I currently have 16” steelies but god they’re heavy!

    What wheel width do you run?
    What kind of backspacing or offset keeps it clear of the UCA? I’m guessing the stealth custom series would work nicely but then I’m spending a bunch of money on just the wheels lol
     
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    most wheel/ tire websites tells you what wheel width they recommend for the certain size. theres prob a 35" tire thread somewhere here.
     
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    I didn't know the steelies were that heavy. I have the original SCS Ray 10s. 24 lbs not counting the lug nuts. I got them for $200 each off a member back in day. I hear the newer versions are lighter. But yes, cost more, for what I understand is a better wheel. I will only run @SCSPerformance wheels. They balance excellent, have great customer support, are strong, and dead sexy. They can definitely handle 35s. You will need the cab mount chop and pinch weld mods though. Obviously a lift kit @HeadStrong Off-Road and while you're at it, new UCAs from JBA.

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    I bought ridge grapplers when they only came in load range e 265 70 17 and although they are a great tire and balance extremely well( .75 oz was the most on any of mine on trd 17" wheels) and have great traction on road, mud and clay they have a droan on the highway that irritates the crap oughta me. I have varied the psi to try and alleviate this and they are quietest for me at 50-55psi lower than 50 are loud ( I know it doesn't make sense)they are very heavy, mine weighed 58# b4 mounting. the new load c maybe quitter I don't know. I love the tire but the tone or pitch of the noise bugs me too much.
    I am currently shopping for a lighter and quitter and little milder tire since 90% of my driving is on the road and I have a tractor on the property we hunt if I get stuck.
     
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    @ChadsPride and I were running ours up there and then a guy did the math for us and came up with 37 psi. I have nearly zero drone, and only barely audible with the windows down up to incredible speeds. Maybe do a test and see if you like them at 37 psi. Actually, I run the rears at 36 and the fronts at 37 unless I have a load.
     
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    thanks. i'll give it a shot. ran them at 38 for a while but they felt really mushy. but hey I'll try just about anything at this point.
     
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