NJ B.S. Thread

Wheelspinner · Aug 9, 2017

Lloyd-1

Hunter- still 0

stairgod · Aug 9, 2017

Not to continue this wonderful convo, but.....
When exactly did we go from a torque range to a actual number? I remember everything I worked on from vehicles to machinery having a torgue range, i.e. 87-92 ftlbs. Now we are given an actual number like 93ftlbs. When this change, and why?

And the best ones are "x" ftlbs plus 60*. I still dont get thst shit. Just give me the torque value.

stairgod · Aug 9, 2017

Wheelspinner said: ↑

Lloyd-1

Hunter- still 0
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Hate to be a dick, but the anal torquer did lose a caliper bolt.....
So maybe 0-0

The Hunter · Aug 9, 2017

Subway4X4 said: ↑

I'm not.

I hope you don't take my response the wrong way.

Not fucking anal. But there's a good reason why correct torque is spec'd by manufacturers.

As a professional mechanic, based on your statements below, you don't show much knowledge of the importance of proper torquing of fasteners.
My 40 year career is in a field/industry that controls, calibrates and QC's everything you can imagine. So I do this shit for a living as well.
AND I've been doing this for more years than you have been on this earth.

This is a stupid statement. You ALWAYS have to worry about over and/or under-torquing any fastener, no matter what application it's being used: Diesel engines, gasoline engines, delicate or precision machines/instruments, etc. Good examples are when you want evenly distributed torqued fasteners to avoid warping or dishing rotors, oil pans, covers, etc. There are many other good examples. So far, you've been giving bad, generalized examples.

This is where you truly shine in your so called Coast Guard "mechanics knowledge." The added length and possible changed angle that I have been referring to, by using a Crow's Foot or a Torque Wrench Adapter, is NOT to gain extension for additional torquing leverage. These handy tools are used to gain access to difficult to reach fasteners that a torque wrench can't reach or has limited space. As I have just recently discovered, when you do use these tools for better access, the torque value changes, because of the lever length change, and you have to manage that properly.

Never said i wanted exact torque values. But I wanted reasonably close values. And yes, understanding those many variables will help achieve those reasonably close torque values.

This is ABSOLUTELY THE DUMBEST STATEMENT I've seen from you. I think I'll put this on my signature.

Which is why any one properly trained will try to properly clean fastener threads.

You are a genius mechanic. Who knew? LOL

I take back my previous callout of dumbest statement. This is even DUMBER. Maybe I'll put both of your dumb-ass statements on my TW signature.

Where the hell did you get the additional 1 ft-lb for an additional click. Did you pull that number out of your ass?
If you add more torque after the "click," it could be ANY additional torque amount, not a fixed incremental 1 ft-lb. An extra 1 click on a 12" torque wrench might be vastly different than an extra 1 click" on a torque wrench with a 4 foot lever arm.

Sad, sad, sad how the U.S. Coast Guard trains their youngsters nowadays. Hopefully you're not an aircraft mechanic.
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God if you only knew.

Go and ask how many mechanics actually torque things to the required spec EVERY time.

If you get your wheels rotated theyll put em back on with 2 uggah duggahs.

The only time torque has to be EXACT is with precision instruments engines and differentials. And like I said you will never be 100% accurate because no torque wrench is the same and they wear out from factory. 59 ftlbs vs 64 ftlbs is not anything to be worried about. Especially when both are above he value needed to keep your shit together

The Hunter · Aug 9, 2017

stairgod said: ↑

Not to continue this wonderful convo, but.....
When exactly did we go from a torque range to a actual number? I remember everything I worked on from vehicles to machinery having a torgue range, i.e. 87-92 ftlbs. Now we are given an actual number like 93ftlbs. When this change, and why?

And the best ones are "x" ftlbs plus 60*. I still dont get thst shit. Just give me the torque value.
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That x plus 60* is for a torque to yeild bolt. My VW has lots of them. Its to get the correct stretch on it. No clue why.

stairgod · Aug 9, 2017

The Hunter said: ↑

That x plus 60* is for a torque to yeild bolt. My VW has lots of them. Its to get the correct stretch on it. No clue why.
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I was waiting for you to say that.
WRONG. Any TTY bolt can only be used once. These torque values have been used on bolts that are not TTY. On my son's VW, wife's Honda, other son's Chevy, etc.

planters15 · Aug 9, 2017

The Hunter said: ↑

God if you only knew.

Go and ask how many mechanics actually torque things to the required spec EVERY time.

If you get your wheels rotated theyll put em back on with 2 uggah duggahs.
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This is why people don't trust mechanics.

stairgod · Aug 9, 2017

Turns out I am actually wrong. TTY bokts have about 6 rundowns (i.e. tightened to torque) in them. But in thecase of engine or tranny bolts, they run them down four times at the factory. So.you can reuse them once. Torque to Turn is actually a more exact method of acheiving bolt stretch as it eliminates variables to the resistance of bolt turning.

The Hunter · Aug 9, 2017

stairgod said: ↑

Turns out I am actually wrong. TTY bokts have about 6 rundowns (i.e. tightened to torque) in them. But in thecase of engine or tranny bolts, they run them down four times at the factory. So.you can reuse them once. Torque to Turn is actually a more exact method of acheiving bolt stretch as it eliminates variables to the resistance of bolt turning.
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My VW only the TTY bolts get extra turns. Head bolts on atleast the Cat 3412 get a 1/4 turn extra. No clue why but those bolts are reuseable but the TTY bolts I don't trust... my TTY bolts snapped because they got reused by the dude who did the timing belt.

HomerTaco · Aug 9, 2017

Subway4X4 said: ↑

I'm not.

I hope you don't take my response the wrong way.

Not fucking anal. But there's a good reason why correct torque is spec'd by manufacturers.

As a professional mechanic, based on your statements below, you don't show much knowledge of the importance of proper torquing of fasteners.
My 40 year career is in a field/industry that controls, calibrates and QC's everything you can imagine. So I do this shit for a living as well.
AND I've been doing this for more years than you have been on this earth.

This is a stupid statement. You ALWAYS have to worry about over and/or under-torquing any fastener, no matter what application it's being used: Diesel engines, gasoline engines, delicate or precision machines/instruments, etc. Good examples are when you want evenly distributed torqued fasteners to avoid warping or dishing rotors, oil pans, covers, etc. There are many other good examples. So far, you've been giving bad, generalized examples.

This is where you truly shine in your so called Coast Guard "mechanics knowledge." The added length and possible changed angle that I have been referring to, by using a Crow's Foot or a Torque Wrench Adapter, is NOT to gain extension for additional torquing leverage. These handy tools are used to gain access to difficult to reach fasteners that a torque wrench can't reach or has limited space. As I have just recently discovered, when you do use these tools for better access, the torque value changes, because of the lever length change, and you have to manage that properly.

Never said i wanted exact torque values. But I wanted reasonably close values. And yes, understanding those many variables will help achieve those reasonably close torque values.

This is ABSOLUTELY THE DUMBEST STATEMENT I've seen from you. I think I'll put this on my signature.

Which is why any one properly trained will try to properly clean fastener threads.

You are a genius mechanic. Who knew? LOL

I take back my previous callout of dumbest statement. This is even DUMBER. Maybe I'll put both of your dumb-ass statements on my TW signature.

Where the hell did you get the additional 1 ft-lb for an additional click. Did you pull that number out of your ass?
If you add more torque after the "click," it could be ANY additional torque amount, not a fixed incremental 1 ft-lb. An extra 1 click on a 12" torque wrench might be vastly different than an extra 1 click" on a torque wrench with a 4 foot lever arm.

Sad, sad, sad how the U.S. Coast Guard trains their youngsters nowadays. Hopefully you're not an aircraft mechanic.
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Lulz

uurx · Aug 9, 2017

Subway4X4 · Aug 9, 2017

Wheelspinner said: ↑

Lloyd-1

Hunter- still 0 Negative 1
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FIFY

V5ioV · Aug 9, 2017

Lloyd, Fuck calling you "mister"
I shall address you from now on as :
Mr. President Lloyd...

...and Hunter for the love of humanity STFU......

Subway4X4 · Aug 9, 2017

stairgod said: ↑

Hate to be a dick, but the anal torquer did lose a caliper bolt.....
So maybe 0-0
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Dick...

This is a good example for the need to torque fasteners correctly. The single Uggah Duggah from my massive, non-spindly arms failed. I love teaching by example. LOL.

Still 1 - Negative 1

Subway4X4 · Aug 9, 2017

V5ioV said: ↑

Lloyd, Fuck calling you "mister"
I shall address you from now on as :
Mr. President Lloyd...
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That'll work as well.

V5ioV · Aug 9, 2017

Hunter has been a "mechanic" for what now? 2 years?(if that) He knows it ALL

Oh wait, he has been sucking Ant's cock for 4 years, and he's an engineer so that gives Hunter 6 years of know it all experience....

Subway4X4 · Aug 9, 2017

V5ioV said: ↑

Lloyd, Fuck calling you "mister"

...and Hunter for the love of humanity STFU......
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Yes. Please control this boy. When he speaketh, stoopid just pours out.

HomerTaco · Aug 9, 2017

Subway4X4 · Aug 9, 2017

V5ioV said: ↑

Hunter has been a "mechanic" for what now? 2 years?(if that) He knows it ALL

Oh wait, he has been sucking Ant's cock for 4 years, and he's an engineer so that gives Hunter 6 years of know it all experience....
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Subway4X4 said: ↑

Yes. Please control this boy. When he speaketh, stoopid just pours out.
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Oh wait, Hunter takes in knowledge through his mouth?
And stoopid shit comes out of his mouth?

Let me do a quick calculation:
4 years of ccksucking knowledge gained minus 2 years of stoopid knowledge lost = 2 years of net knowledge/experience?

Maybe I'm wrong and Hunter's "mechanic" experience IS vast at 2 years.

@stairgod - please check my math

uurx · Aug 9, 2017

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