NJ B.S. Thread

Why?

 

Just connect it directly to the battery and turn it off on the winch when not using it.

No need for all of this and more chance for resistance to burn up your winch motor.

The winch has a solenoid that disconnects power when you turn it off. I’ve has this discussion with a few members that just think adding more electrical shit to their vehicle is somehow better.

For some reason, truck owners love adding unnecessary and costly electrical (and lighting) to their vehicles.





Excessive voltage drop in wiring

Every electrical wire has a resistance which is measured in Ohms. The resistance value is essentially a function of the cable cross sectional area and purity of the copper used to make the cable. Resistance impacts the winching operation by causing voltage drop along the electrical cables. The resistance has greater impact on the voltage drop as the current draw along the cable increases. Winch motors are very high current drawers (in excess of 400 amps) and therefore the electrical cable resistance is extremely important and must be minimised. Taking a 12v winch as an example, the battery powering the winch presents as ~12.4v at the battery terminals. Under winching situations users might see up to 3V of voltage drop in the cables running to the winch motor and another 3V in the return loop to the battery. This leaves only 6V for both the solenoid and winch motor to share.

 

I also have a Warn 9500xp-s and haven’t had any issues with it. You could also take a look at Come Up winches. Their Seal Gen2 rs comes with integrated wireless control (in addition to wired). The solenoid box is a little bigger than my Warn, so that may be a consideration if you plan on mounting it inside the engine bay.

 

Because interwebs? There was a topic about winches a page or so ago, and since there is no fuse on the line, kind of seemed like a good idea to ask what is everybody doing.

OK. Interesting. Is that a quote from somewhere?

And you are right, we tend to put unnecessary expensive shit on our trucks, and I think it goes way further than electrical stuff.

 

It’s from a site which can’t seem to find right now.

The thing is, your winch already has a solenoid, then adding another one is unnecessary.

I’m aware of what owners want to do. They want to turn power off and on inside the truck to the winch. You should really do that on the winch.

Keep in mind, a winch can draw 500+ amps and on 12V +/- system is like 6000 W+ and is nothing like a 50W light bar.

The best thing you can do is upgrade to a deep cycle AGM battery if you have a winch. A standard car and truck battery is not intended to be used and drawn down which a winch will do, even with the vehicle running.

https://www.batterymart.com/p-odyss...MInrPAwYHG4AIVRkCGCh3gTwLqEAkYASABEgKYTfD_BwE

 

Yea I meant that as why do you want to add one, not why are you asking.. ask whatever you want lol.

 

This is why people put switches on winches. One of the reasons anyway.

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118356

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/freaky-winch-runaway.471972/

I have one on both of our rigs. Mine has a 500 amp solenoid that I turn on and off from the cab.

I have no interest in having to find a wrench, and try to disconnect melting battery terminals.

The Jeep’s winch is run through a battery cut off switch under the hood.

Here’s an observation that I’ve made. I’ve never worried about it because my winch is on a switch. Come up 9500 lb winch.

When I turn the winch switch on, the winch beeps until I turn on the remote. Like it’s saying “I have power but no remote”

I wonder if this would time out if I did not turn the remote on. If not, with no switch, it would always beep.

 

Yes I understand that winch has its own solenoid (or series of solenoids), am I am not arguing a power draw of a winch. Actually I'm not arguing at all, I was just wondering what and if anyone is using anything.

 

Understood.

Connect everything to your battery, use as little as possible with wiring.

 

That's pretty much what I was thinking of when I asked. Tim if not too much to ask, do you have info on your 500 amp set-up

 

I do. Buried in my build thread somewhere.

Hold on, I can probably find the solenoid link on Amazon at least.

 

Here it is

PAC PAC-500 500-Amp Relay Battery Isolator

PAC 500 Watt Battery Relay and Isolator, Amp Relay, 12 volt Battery Disconnect Relay, Water-Resistant and Extends Battery Life (500 Watts)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001YIPXR2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_4OXACbPJ5J83N

You don’t need to have cables made up either. Get yourself one of these and make your own. This is the one I have. I’ve used it much more than I ever thought I would.

 

Thanks Tim

 

Amazon also sells high strand count welding cables to make your own wiring harness. If you only need a couple feel though, let me know, as I have some short ends I can't use from doing my battery setup.

 

No problem. I’m not saying my way (although I’m pretty sure I stole the idea) is the best way. It’s been working for me.

I don’t want a winch without a fail safe, and I don’t want to go under the hood every time I need to use it.

 

I have the same setup as Tim. In an ideal world the solenoid on the winch should be sufficient but there are plenty of story’s of things going wrong and winches turning on and catching on fire because they can’t pull through thenselves. Also with a solenoid at the battery now there isn’t an large gauge in fused wire running all through the front of your truck that could rub through the insulation and cause a fire. I know there are plenty of people out there that think mine has been setup like this for years and my truck is fine. Good for you, that’s not a chance I want to take while I’m alone in the mountains hours from the nearest town. @Reh5108 i believe had an issue where his winch turned on while he was driving down the road

 

Thanks. I will try to get some from my shop first. They have some big sizes used in truck.

 

For sale 17x8.5 +25 offset method standards have rock rash not bent. Will need min. of .5" spacer to fit with 285s, skinnies may not need spacers. One is missing one of the fake bolts can get new ones from Method. You can also make some rash rings out of plastic, which I will be doing for the new wheels.
These wheels would be good for some wheelers so you don't mess up your nice ones. I beat the snot out of these and am surprised there are no bends or damage beyond just aesthetics. Some of the rash is some decent gouges and not just scuffs on the paint.
We can figure out a TW express. Just thought I'd post these here since I know there are quite a few pretty hardcore wheelers in this area.
$350 obo

 

The wireless receiver in the control box shorted from corrosion and turned it on. I always keep my winch in free spool incase it happens again it won't be drawing a huge load creating heat and possibly a fire. Still haven't done anything to protect the leads shorting other than wrapping them in wireloom.

 

Have you ever had it spool out while in free spool? Wind while driving or anything like that?