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No airbags??

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Deathdealer, Mar 7, 2017.

  1. Mar 8, 2017 at 1:10 PM
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    But why???????
     
  2. Mar 8, 2017 at 1:12 PM
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    Understandable. I'm talking about the fact that they WILL bill him and he will have to settle with the insurance company since he doesn't have insurance of his own. In the end he'll get fucked. The insurance company knows he doesn't have insurance and will likely deny the claim knowing full well that he'll have to sue in order to get reimbursed, which means a ton more money out of pocket.
     
  3. Mar 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM
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    Glad you are going to be ok, trucks can be replaced. Keep tabs on your recovery, as some issues can sneak up later. I'm just glad you are initially ok.

    A friend of mine recently ended up in the hospital from a weird avian flu bug he caught at work, which morphed into a 2week stay in the hospital and nearly died. He has no health insurance, but hospitals have indigent help for those in need. When you get a bill, immediately call the billing department and ask about a financial discount. They never advertise this, but if they receive federal funds, it is there. They will send you paperwork to fill out showing your income and lack of insurance. You can receive anywhere from 10-100% off of your bill due to your financial status. I actually used this exact procedure for myself after a surgery. I got a discount. Your bill will be placed on hold status until a discount is applied or rejected. Then the new adjusted bill will be sent, then call and set up payment plans. Payment plans are also income based, and are reasonable, usually without interest either.

    Whatever happens in your situation, just the fact that you are alive and able to provide for yourself is more important than paying a few medical bills!! I hope this info is helpful to you, and anyone else who may run into this type issue!
     
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  4. Mar 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM
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  5. Mar 8, 2017 at 3:41 PM
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    I meant like where at haha, I saw you original post
     
  6. Mar 8, 2017 at 3:57 PM
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    At a certain point it becomes impractical to put enough sensors at different points of vehicle in anticipation of something that may never happen.

    Additionally remember that the entire point of an airbag is to consume the void space in a vehicle and assist in driver deceleration... especially all those body parts not restrained by the seatbelt. They are not meant to cushion the driver and can actually be fatal. Some vehicles even have dual stage airbags that will deploy halfway for small wrecks and all the way for big ones. There are certain situations where you don't want them to blow... I'd imagine if the OP had his head near the A-post, the last thing he'd have wanted was an airbag exploding in his face.

    Air bags can kill... somewhere on YouTube is a video of a firefighter trying to rescue an accident victim from a vehicle and the unused passenger airbag deploys, blowing him out of the car. They should never be taken lightly.
     
  7. Mar 8, 2017 at 4:00 PM
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    Oh, sorry. Little department just north of Wichita, Kansas. We've got 45 guys working three shifts and running about 4000 calls per year.
     
  8. Mar 8, 2017 at 4:02 PM
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    Oh nice, just curious!

    I remember when I was going through my fire academy and doing the car extracation cert. the junk yard gave us some air bags to mess with, we blew up some and those things are crazy at the amount of force they can put out in zero time
     
  9. Mar 8, 2017 at 4:56 PM
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    Wonder it's because u weren't moving??
     
  10. Mar 8, 2017 at 6:13 PM
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    The Airbag Control Module (ACM) in this vehicle will record impact data even in cases where the bags don't fire. The data in the ACM will be very useful to a 3rd party engineer in determining if bag deployment was appropriate or not based on the forces during the crash. Further, an expert in biomechanics/occupant kinematics may be able to use that data to compel the adverse insurance company to pay your med bills and lost time.

    Note that this data will also show your speed prior to impact so if you know you were speeding you may just want to drop it.

    In short, you need to contact a plaintiffs attorney who is experienced with motor vehicle accidents and who works with a reliable reconstruction engineer to recover the data. The dealer can't do this.

    Good luck.
     
  11. Mar 8, 2017 at 6:22 PM
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    That should not matter.
     
  12. Mar 8, 2017 at 6:29 PM
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    Talking about airbags like what I'm doing is really wreckless... It is a crazy complicated process to deploy bags. It's taking a ton of information and trying to make anticipatory decisions in tens of milisecs. ACM manufactures protect their algorithms as secret proprietary property that are protected in court.

    Those pictures and explanation is for FRONTAL airbags.

    Deployment is just not blowing up a bag and filling some space. It takes in account your position during the crash pulse. It is looking at your weight, seat track position and kind of the most important is the length of time of the crash. If it is a long duration pulse it is taking into consideration where you might be in the seat during the crash. For a bag to be most effective AND be safe is for you to be in your seat. That is why (in simple terms) some angular accidents will not deploy bags. It's just not getting hit.

    The OP (and I have only one pic) he had a side angular from rear to front that prolly would not deploy the front bags because of the direction of force. I'm not sure if he had side curtains or not. I have a suspicion his seat belt pre-tensioners might of deployed. Which by itself when your ACM is deciding to do things may just fire those only.

    YES back in the day you could center a pole and NOT have a deployment. I'm pretty sure that won't happen now a days.

    As far as getting your ACM downloaded, it's fairly straight forward. To the guy that has the tool it's really easy. Unless you have some real damages... to get a recon, a bio guy and a bag expert you really need to be messed up for any plaintiff attorney to stick their head for that.

    I'm not at my desk or I'd copy the data that is available for our Tacos. If it had side curtains it would contain appropriate data to support them.
     
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  13. Mar 8, 2017 at 6:30 PM
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    OP...what car was the lady that hit you driving?
     
  14. Mar 8, 2017 at 6:48 PM
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  15. Mar 8, 2017 at 6:55 PM
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  16. Mar 8, 2017 at 7:48 PM
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    working in the crash safety industry and on Tacomas in general I can tell you it literally all about where the impact sensor is. Personally I would have guessed that a 50mph hit like that would have given enough of an acceleration to the SIS causing the bags to deploy. Toyota runs an all or nothing algorithm in their ACM so if one bay deploys they all deploy unlike some other manufactures. You may want to investigate this further OP because i believe they have a SIS in the driver door which should of registered an acceleration great enough to get a response from the ACM
     
  17. Mar 8, 2017 at 7:56 PM
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    I agree with most of this but Toyota's ACM algorithm is all or nothing deployment. So if one bag fires they fire everything and thats purely for an airbag tracking purpose thats kind of hard to explain. Also the tacoma does have curtain bags which should of fired because your SIS in the door would have seen an acceleration greater than the ACM thresh hold. And unfortunately Tacomas are pretty basic with their safety. They run a capacitive suppression system so they really arent tracking your seat postion and body position in the seat. Some car do do that and the technology is definitely present in the market but Tacomas just arent that lucky. maybe one day tho
     
  18. Mar 8, 2017 at 7:57 PM
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    How does this work if you have a plate bumper?
     
  19. Mar 8, 2017 at 8:02 PM
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    Thats a good question. Your FIS is still in the same spot and they are measuring acceleration so Id imagine it will change your deployment in some way. The ACM has an algorithm saying to deploy is you see XX amount of acceleration and the plate bumper will definitely change how things react compared to how the engineers developed the algorithm for the car stock. I have asked Demello about their bumpers and they said that multiple times people have sent them pictures of cars with their bumpers and deployed airbags.
     
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    I have an ARB ....it has crush sleeves in it. Wonder if that helps?
     

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