Non-existent dealer service first time around?

Just did a quick look through, so at 10k intervals it's still looks good and even said you could go a bit longer and still be fine. So the manual is...correct.

 

Will be at 40k by DEC on my '18 probably, see you there.

 

I'm sure they've changed the oil, but no way I'd use Cakerstate.

1. Room mate after school had to clean out the valve covers on some work trucks which used cakerstate. Stuff was pilled up on the insides of the valve covers and actually interfering with the rocker arms.
2. Room mate in college (different guy) would rebuild the engine in his race car every year. One year he used cakerstate. The main bearings had sludgy looking stuff that we guessed was supposed to be oil.
3. One of my professors worked in the GM oil test labs at one time. During a lecture, he said he was okay with most oils on the market.... except Quakerstate. He said "never under any circumstances ever ever use Quakerstate." Kinda stuck with me.

Now all of this was almost 20 years ago. I'm sure they don't put the paraffin additives or whatever it was that caused the oil to sludge up anymore. I won't use them though.

 

There shouldn't be any doubt. Most manufacturers test the snot out of these things.... for all kinds of reasons. If they tell you 10k, they aren't blowing sunshine up your skirt.

 

With that commute, you will pass me I think.

 

You're using Mobil 1?

 

For similar reasons, I can't even look at a box that has Fram on it.

 

I blame technology.

 

Damn. All this power out of some reasonable displacement, long OCIs, no real tune ups . . . we got it rough.


Now, Entune and OEM navi!

 

Yeah. I'm really a Chevrolet guy. I've built a few SBCs, V6s, and was hoping to get into the LSx world (that car got stolen). Since they use Mobil 1 in the Vette, I figured they probably know a decent oil.

I've used a bunch of oils over the years though. Had a few with well over 200K when I sold them (running btw). I kinda think most are good enough.... except Quakerstate. Just change it when they tell you.

I'm using Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy or something like that.

 

Yeah, we should go back to carbs and points ignition systems! Screw all this fancy stuff.

Share the story. I ran fram for a long time. Never had a problem. Though Wix is way better. I'm running OEM these days though.


I had changed the plug wires on my S10 after it hit 120,000 miles with some stuff from Autozone. Truck started having issues 30,000 miles later. Eventually, I traced it back to the wires after testing the resistance in them. I decided AC Delco must be pretty good since I was at 120,000 and I only changed them because I "felt" they had been on there long enough.

 

Oof! I had a couple carby bikes and that was annoying enough. I thankfully never had to deal with a points ignition.


I just picked up a few OEM filters. That should last me a few years. They seem very well made.

OE stuff can be very good quality. I usually do a good bit of research if I go aftermarket.

 

I'll have to check it out. I only used Quaker since that was my ODO sticker said after one of my included oil changes. Haven't personally read anything negative about it until now. Heard nothing but good about Mobil 1 though.

 

The manufacturers are being pressured by EPA to extend oil change intervals. It has to do with the amount of waste oil being generated.

 

Have a source for this?

 

I still play with carbs on my ATV's, one of my MC's and on my VW Dune Buggy. I will admit that I prefer Fuel Injection and OBD Ports to Synchronizing carbs and dealing with Points. In fact I converted my 'Buggy to electronic ignition probably 15 years ago and never looked-back and it's next engine will likely be fuel-injected. It's nice to see that for the vast majority cars have basically become an appliance. My GF drives a Highlander which just hit 100K and only really needs an oil change and spark plugs. I run Mobil 1 and OEM oil filters in that engine; probably going to do the same with my Taco as well.

That's not to say that I don't enjoy wrenching on cars; I do most of my own work on my vehicles but I also enjoy being able to plug-in a Scanner and download a code and not having to visit my Spark Plugs on an annual basis.

 

Yeah, exactly my experience. I own a couple BMWs from that era. The inline 6 engines are rock solid and will last forever with regular maintenance. BMW started covering maintenance under the warranty period in 2004. The year before, 2003, when the customer was paying for the service, BMW specified 3k oil changes. The cars were the same make/model at the time.

Some fun reading from the BMW guys:

In 1992 BMW made 3/36 scheduled maintenance coverage available for purchase. In 1993 BMW began covering scheduled maintenance for V12 models (750iL and 850i). Three-year/36,000 mile scheduled maintenance became standard across the BMW line/make in 1996. Three/36 “scheduled” was upgraded to 3/36 “full maintenance” on all BMWs in 2000. The four-year/50,000 mile BMW Maintenance Program (the term “full” was dropped) was introduced across the BMW line-make in 2004.

Prior to the advent of Scheduled Maintenance, approximate BMW maintenance recommendations on the E30 3 Series were: automatic transmission fluid (ATF) and filter changes every 15,000 miles, manual gearbox and differential oil changes every 30,000 miles, annual brake fluid changes, and coolant changes every two years. Spark plugs, air filter, and fuel filters were typically replaced every 30,000 miles on most BMWs (this is a tune-up) except M cars up to 1995, which got new spark plugs and a valve adjustment every 15,000. Later advances in computer engine management and spark plug technology legitimately allow 60,000-mile spark plug life if not more.

Prior to Scheduled Maintenance, you couldn’t change engine oil often enough according to the dealer. And when the car was in the shop it would often be due for this service or that inspection, all at the owner’s expense.

The operative word here is “scheduled.” Once BMW began paying for scheduled maintenance, lo and behold the schedule was continually revised to eliminate maintenance items. Today, according to BMW, the cars hardly need any maintenance at all. The 1,200-mile break-in service was done away with except for M cars. Engine oil suddenly lasts 15,000 miles (dealers are supposed to use BMW synthetic oil). Manual gearbox and differential oil? Now BMW says they never need to be changed on the nonM cars; it’s “lifetime fill.” Brake fluid and coolant service intervals were doubled with no change in the original BMW brake fluid and anti-freeze dealers are supposed to use. As of 2005, coolant is now “lifetime fill” as well – with no change in the actual coolant."

So, is today’s BMW Maintenance Program all about marketing and cost reduction – BMW’s costs? Draw your own conclusions. There is no doubt that many buyers view BMWs as high maintenance cars and that can be an impediment to sales – but it is also entirely correct. Nothing can address that more effectively than Free Scheduled Maintenance. The operative word in the name is “scheduled.” In my opinion, extended service intervals and “lifetime fill” came very close on the heels of Free Scheduled Maintenance.​

That being said, on a BMW Inline 6, IMHO, if you do the factory oil change interval then when you open the head up for the first valve cover gasket at 70k miles the difference is absolutely night and day.

I send samples to Blackstone Labs for my 10w60 cars and use the testing results to determine my change intervals.

Toyotas may be different, I don't know yet.

 

2 years now on my OR, never seen the dealer. I didn't even let them wash/wax it when I bought it.

 

Smart man, it took me 2 days to correct the paint on my truck after they “Detailed” it whin I bought mine.

 

I guess i shouldn't feel bad either. When they did my first service i had only 3k miles on the truck. They changed the oil, but no filter, rotated the tires, checked the air pressure, and fixed the odo reading fast issue....and no they didn't wash the truck either. I haven't even washed the truck since owned. I let the rain do it.