Annual OR/WA TSF Camping and Wheeling Shindig

I've never actually been to a quarry or shot at one. I know they're really popular, but it's always kind of been in the back of my mind that it just doesn't seem like the optimal safe shooting zone.

I have a big wall of stone in my mind.



I'd much rather have plenty of dirt as a backdrop anyway.

 

This is the quarry. The picture makes it look small, but you could just about bury a 2-story building at the bottom of the pit.




Also while I was searching for the picture, I ran across this site mentioning ODFW wasn't enforcing OAR-025-0050 (5). Continuing research (because I thought that law seemed out of date or impossible), I found this thread mentioning that the law could not be enforced because of Oregon Revised Statute 166.170

 

I'll be there this year for sure.

 

I might come up with RogueTRD

 

I've marked my calender. But I won't know for sure till a bit closer

 

Soooo....I think the email I sent may have jeopardized our plans a bit - mainly because this "event" is being advertised publicly on the forum.

Since it has been advertised on here and communicated with TSF (by me) that we hope to reserve a spot (or even check availability) for this meet, they are now "in the know" and we are expected (i.e. required) to have an Organized Event Permit to host this. I am all for abiding by their rules and regulations, but I did not know this would create a potential roadblock for us to have our annual meets down there, but hey, it may make it even more successful and organized than previous years!

They did say that weekend 6/10-6/12 has already been reserved for another (approved) event, and the Group Site will not be available. We will need to choose a different date if/when we can get a permit to host this.

I have already left a voice message for OHV Specialist in TSF that sent me the reply, and I would post their response here, but it is considered confidential info. and cannot be disclosed elsewhere. I will continue to discuss with them, and let you guys know the outcome/resolution. I have also attached their Schedule and Policy/Process for Scheduled Events.

Here are the Permit Guidelines that we will need to adhere to in order to apply for a Permit, also found here: Oregon Administrative Rules info found at - http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/pages/rules/oars_600/oar_629/629_025.html

629-025-0020
Permits - Organized Events

(1) No person, corporation, or other entity shall sponsor, promote or conduct any organized event within the boundaries of state forest land without first having obtained a permit from the Forester.
(2) Organized events may be permitted when the following requirements are satisfied:
(a) Adequate sanitation, policing, medical facilities, traffic control and other necessary services are provided;
(b) Conflict with traditional forest recreation activities is minimized;
(c) All expenses, risks, and liabilities are borne by the sponsors rather than the general public;
(d) The health, well-being and property of forest users, persons, neighboring landowners and of the general public are protected.
(e) Damage to forest resources or improvements is negligible or can be reasonably mitigated.
(3) Permit Application Procedure: Any person requesting a permit for an organized event shall provide the following information to the Forester at least 60 days prior to the date of the proposed event:
(a) Date of the event;
(b) A map of the proposed event area;
(c) Number of participants;
(d) Name, address, date of birth and phone number of the sponsor;
(e) Description of the planned activities.
(f) A plan for timely clean-up and restoration of the areas used.
(g) The foregoing is not an exclusive list of the elements required for a permit.
(4) Compliance With Other Rules: All activities shall comply with applicable state and local codes, rules and ordinances. Additional state and local permits required shall be obtained prior to the beginning of the activity.
(5) Approval or Denial of Permits: The Forester may approve, with conditions, or deny the permit application consistent with the policies set forth in these rules. The following shall be considered in evaluating the permit applications:
(a) The ability of the applicant to finance, plan and manage the activity in accordance with sanitation, safety, medical care, fire control, security, crowd, noise, and traffic control requirements, and consistent with the protection of forest resources;
(b) The extent to which the proposed activity, in both nature and timing, threatens interference with customary usage of the forest by members of the public or interferes with the convenience of neighboring landowners and the general public;
(c) The experience of the applicant in performing similar activities in the past;
(d) Measures undertaken to mitigate any changes in customary forest usage or damage to forest resources or improvements caused by the activity.
(6) Cancellation: The Forester may cancel the permit effective immediately on notice to the applicant in the event of any emergency, significant law enforcement problem, or substantial threat to public welfare, safety or property arising from or affecting the activity, and may cancel the permit immediately upon any breach of other permit conditions. The applicant shall terminate the activity immediately upon receipt of notice from the Forester that the permit has been canceled.
(7) Miscellaneous Provisions: No application or proposal for an organized event will be considered by the Forester unless;
(a) The sponsor or its principal representative is at least 21 years of age; and
(b) The sponsor or sponsor-organization has satisfied all outstanding liabilities and requirements running to the Forester and arising out of any prior activity involving property under the jurisdiction of the Forester.
(8) Permits Non-transferable: No permit shall be transferable or assignable to any other sponsor, party or entity without prior written approval of the Forester.

Stat. Auth.: ORS 530.050
Stats. Implemented: ORS 530.010 - ORS 530.040
Hist.: FB 3-1995, f. & cert. ef. 9-15-95

P.S. - they have a link to this thread that they had found on their own (I did not send them a link or info.) so please be aware that the general Public can (and will) be able to easily find info. if needed. Please do not slander or discuss anything inappropriate if you do not want it to be seen.

Tagging @Chickenmunga @snowgod06 for a "FYI heads-up"

 

seems a little strenuous for the group size we have had the past few years

 

Simple solution to this in my head at the moment. I'll PM mike and yourself Ben this evening to start work on this situation. Given my idea works, this won't be a problem!

 

I'd assume it wouldn't be a sponsored group meet if it's just a weekend wheeling/camping trip with a group of 10ish? What constitutes the need for a sponsored event and an event pass?

 

That's my wondering right now also. How does this differ than other people who meet up with 10-20 wheelers for a planned day/weekend? Which I've tagged along on a few...

 

imo it's not sponsored at all, because TW doesn't advertise or promote at the gathering, no raffles, no nothing. just some dudes wheeling

 

I would agree with this statement. We have no formal organization, no money is exchanged hands in the form of dues, nor do we have a true roster. As far as I know, we don't meet the criteria for being defined as a club via legal terms. I believe they misunderstood who we are and I believe the true matter is that we really can't apply for event status. I've never had to apply for a permit to hold a family reunion. Our intention of notifying them was to ensure we weren't congesting the area, and giving others notification that traffic in the area may be greater.

 

Ok, I'm out for the TW meet.

I will, however, be at TSF the morning of Friday 6/10 to do some camping for the weekend (I'll be paying for the site for the duration of my stay) and a little bit of trail running.

I certainly don't need all of the site room that'll be available (I'm going to try and get the same spot as last year as it's first come, first served). If any of my friends want to stop by and hang out for a day or 3, you're more than welcome. BYOY.

And Ben don't forget that if you happen to come down, Washington State offroad passes are honored at TSF (unless the posted policy last year has changed) so you don't need to buy a daily Oregon pass.

 

I wouldn't mind this guy in charge to make an account here so we could all talk to him. Sounds like we were misinterpreted.

 

I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding. Which would be easy to do. If someone told me "hey we have a group of racomas all meeting up to off road" my first thought would be an organized event. But we are more the "hey we have a large group of friends who all happen to drive tacomas planning to meet up and don't want to congest an organized event"

 

Do we have any updates on this stuff @Benson X ?

 

No updates as of today. I just left another msg for Jahmaal to check-in.

 

Brakes are changed. Now to get my ujoints and at some point my needle bearing. I'll be ready for anything.

 

So double black diamond trails this year huh?

 

No. I'm not stupid enough. I will do some others I didn't do last year though.