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OFFICIAL 2nd gen 4x4 front differential bearing vibration thread

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas' started by BenWA, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. Apr 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM
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    Just had bearing installed. Vibe is gone. Another satisfied customer.

    Removal tool for sale. PM me.
     
  2. Apr 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM
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    I'm getting pretty fed up with my 08 4x4 long-bed. Installed 5100's and rear 1.5 block at 30k miles, got the vibration immediately.Denied under warranty by toyota as they cited the lift as the cause. Had the dealer replace the bearing and CV 1.5 years ago. 30k later I have the ECGS bushing installed for preventative reasons, no new CV as they didn't notice any scoring. Directly after installing the bushing I get an audible vibe between 55-70mph that goes away when turning the wheel right at high speed (long sweeping highway corner). Sounds like a wheel bearing right? Changed that out today and it did nothing. Does anyone have any advice? I'm seriously close to getting rid of this truck as it's been nothing but trouble after a 2.5 inch lift. I'm really starting to miss my 06 Tundra LTD... HELP!
     
  3. Apr 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM
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    able to pick up the parts? i will be coming through there April 26-28 and will need to get the bushing. unfortunately shipping is like $15 to my house. I would assume you would have zero liability as you could just return the part if i bailed, and i will be paying cash. also looking to buy a used removal tool if anyone is interested. just PM me if you would be willing to pick the part up and meet me most likely fri evening or sunday midday.

    also, how are people installing the part? are you buying the install tool as well?
     
  4. Apr 15, 2013 at 6:56 PM
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    installed bushing (my mechanics did) Vibe be gone! Yeah!! Thank you East Coast Gear Supply, for engineering a solution, and then documenting it well. Mechanics appreciated the install info.
     
  5. Apr 17, 2013 at 7:14 PM
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    Just wanted to comment on the bearing issue. Ordered bushing from East Coast Gear Supply and had Steve at Tarheel 4wd install it. He did an awesome job. If you are in the Charlotte area and have 4wd needs, he is very knowledgeable and knows about the Toyota differential issue. He is also familiar with the bushing from ECGS. Nice to have a good connection at a local 4wd shop.
     
  6. Apr 18, 2013 at 4:04 AM
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    I've been attempting to contact ECGS since the new year about the 1st Gen fix and have gotten nothing so far. Maybe they were unable to complete this product.
     
  7. Apr 18, 2013 at 5:25 AM
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    Yup, exactly why I am afraid to put any sort of lift on my truck. I'm staying with stock for now and am gonna to have to be content with 265x75 R16 tires.
     
  8. Apr 18, 2013 at 10:02 AM
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    So after reading more pages of this thread than I care to count, I am more confused than before.

    Ive got a 2011 with 33K miles w/ rear tsb. Ive always had a slight vib between 55-70 that you can feel in the steering wheel and the floor. You can see the pass seat shake when its empty. Had different wheels/tires balanced, didnt fix it.

    After I lifted it, 885x's and wheelers aal, the vib is significantly worse. Going to add 3degree axle shims.

    Does anyone think the ECGS bushing is the cure for my vibes?
     
  9. Apr 18, 2013 at 10:40 AM
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    Does your vibe go away when you flip your 4wd switch to 4hi?
     
  10. Apr 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM
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    Havent done it because it really only happens at highway speeds. Dont think if its good to run 4wd at 60mph.
     
  11. Apr 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM
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    My vibes were so bad that switching to 4Hi did not get rid off it. But when the vibes First started, switching to 4Hi made the vibe go away. ECGS bushing FTW!
     
  12. Apr 18, 2013 at 2:57 PM
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    Drive your vehicle at the speed you hear the noise, and make sure it is there. Slow down to about 50-55mph to switch in to 4hi, then proceed to accelerate to the speed in which you have the vibe. If there is no more vibe, then it is the diff bearing. If vibe is still there, you have another issue. I think if you are 60 mph or above, the system won't let you engage 4hi, and it will beep at you, but it is fine up to 75mph per the owners manual.
     
  13. Apr 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM
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    OME 885s lift w/ Dakar leaf pack, 33" BFG All Terrain T/A KO tires, ECGS front differential bushing, powered rear slider... and counting.
    I've got the classic differential vibe: periodic vibration I can feel through the floor of the truck when going 30-40 mph, worse on cold mornings, goes away in 4-hi, etc, etc. I am going to install the ECGS bushing next Friday and I was wondering how this has worked out for those of you who have put some miles on since installing it. Has anyone had any negative effects? How many miles since installing it without problems?

    Thanks a lot for your responses! I don't know where I'd be without this forum... Oh wait, I do... I'd be driving a Tacoma with a rattling steering shaft, a vibrating differential, and a POS toytec leveling kit.
     
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    so thats what that noise is!! I'll have to try the 4hi test and see. how bitchy of a job is it to pull the cv axle to put that ECGS bushing in and replace cv? and just the drivers side??

    Also, any safety issues or extra damage this may cause if left for a while? funds are wrapped up in major house reno right now, but dont want to tear up the truck wainting for money. its a daily driver forsure
     
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    I've put 40-50k miles on the bushing so far with no negative affects.

    The job itself is not too bad with the right tools. It is best to get it done sooner than later. Here is my list of tools needed. http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2n...-bearing-vibration-thread-25.html#post4874023
     
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    yeah, the job is beyond my skill level for sure, so off to the shop it will go once we get the bushing.
     
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    It's weird. I tried running it in 4wd @ 65/70 mph and the vibe was still there??? Anybody have any idea as to what it might be? Bushing is in and I replaced the wheel bearing as well. CV has no slop either. Maybe replace the CV axle even though the dealer said it looked OK? It will be the 3rd CV axle.
     
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    Could be a slight imbalance with your tires. Have you rotated them since you felt the vibration? If not, try either rotating them, or, go have them balanced. NTB usually has printable coupons that drive that cost down to about $20 for all four, and other shops will honor competitor coupons. This could also be a rear driveline vibration as well. Do you have any take off shudder? Grease your U joints up good, check the play in the center support for excessive movement, a 1/4" in either direction is ok. Also, if you are capable, grease the drive shafts slip yoke. I doubt it will be your CV axles, you would hear them popping rather than a vibration. Another thing you can do is check the torque is with in spec on all of your suspension parts to make sure the vibration isn't coming from a loose or under tightened bolt. Do this for front and rear. Good luck.
     
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    Thanks! I had my winter wheels on when the work was done and recently swapped to my Summer FJ TRD wheels to see if it might be a balance issue. Same symptoms... No shudder at take-off. It's def something in the front driver side as that is where the vibe is and it started right after I had work done (brakes, bushing install). I'll check the torque on everything and update. Thanks again for the advice.
     
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    I have a similar vibration at 65-70 as well. I too have the bushing installed and have a 3" ToyTec lift. Tried everything I could think of to eliminate the vibe, no luck. It is certainly worse when the weather is cold, sub-zero temperatures. When the weather is warm, I don't notice it at all. That in itself makes me think that it is a lubrication issue. At cold temperatures the gear oil is thicker and takes longer to start doing it's job. When the diff warms up, it gets better.

    Things I have tried:

    1. Tire balance - I had the problem with the factory wheels and winter tires. When I put my new Method wheels and new tires on, still had the vibe. Tried rotating front to back and back to front with no change.

    2. Removed rear drive shaft, took truck for a drive on the highway. Still had the vibe at 65-70, so not a rear drive shaft issue.

    3. Took out the front diff drop. No change, so put it back in.

    4. Wheel alignment - Still had the vibe. Had another wheel alignment done more recently. I have Light Racing UCA's, so had the wheel moved as far forward as possible to allow more clearance at back of front wheel well. Thought this may have affected the vibe as it realigned the front CV axle a little, for better or worse I can't say. Either way, it didn't affect the vibe at all. Current wheel alignment specs are Caster Left 2.7, Caster Right 2.9, Camber Left 0.1, Camber Right 0.0, Toe Left 0.02 & Toe Right -0.01. Specs seem excellent from what I have read, so I have ruled out wheel alignment.

    5. Flushed out front diff and filled with Red Line 75W85 Synthetic fluid. No change, still the same vibe.

    With the fact that it is much worse at cold temperatures and only at highway speeds, I have begun to wonder if the bushing has cured the low speed vibe, but introduced a slight vibe at highway speeds when very cold. I must say, the bushing really made a difference for the vibe at lower speeds. I hadn't driven the truck in very cold weather prior to the bushing change, so don't know if the vibe was there before or not. It would also have been nice to know if the vibe existed at stock height or not.

    I'm at a loss to determine what is causing the vibe at 65-70 on the highway. Perhaps someone else may have some luck and enlighten those of us who are experiencing the same issue. :)
     

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