Oil at 10k service

To avoid people being mislead: Toyota recommends 10k oil changes for peopled driving in ideal conditions. It has been proven many times over the majority of drivers do not drive in ideal conditions, putting the majority of owners in the severe service category. This is backed by many different studies done in the automotive aftermarket. It is also proven the majority of equipment failures come from a lack of preventive maintenance. This includes all fluid changes: brake, coolant, power steering, transmission, transfer case, differential.

Pine State argues this by pushing his interpretation of what is in the owners manual. Pine State lives one of the harshest environments in the United Sates and does not recognize that. He also does not appear to have any experience in the automotive aftermarket, and justifies his maintenance schedule off of data from other owners vs his own environment. I find Pine State's advice irresponsible and uneducated. While he may be very well educated in other areas, this does not appear to be one of them.


That being said, it is your vehicle and your choice to do what you want with it. I doubt you many owners will have an issue going double the recommended oil change interval, but this is not recommended by the manufactures of the vehicle or the manufactures of the parts.

 

A ton of people drive trips of less than 5 miles in 32° temps and below. Especially in the northern part of the US. Anyone who works close to home up here would qualify. Almost everyone I know in my area works within 5 miles of home.

 

The average commute time in America is 25 minutes.

https://project.wnyc.org/commute-times-us/embed.html

 

You use the terms "PROOF" very loosely my friend. You are flat out wrong! You spread fear mongering about the oil change boogeyman despite the manufacturer (and most manufacturers) recommending 10k mile or longer oil changes for most drivers.

 

I can't believe you guys. If you love your truck as much as you profess then you should be using extra virgin olive oil. Only the best for my truck every 5,000 miles (may go to 10,000 if Blackstone says it's ok).

 

This weekend I will be putting in my front drum-brake conversion kit (gotta get that extra stopping power), and I will be emptying the oil in my john deere riding mower and adding it to the Tacoma for good luck.

 

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Do what you want with your equipment, but lets not confuse your uneducated opinion for facts.

You live and drive your truck in Maine. For you not to see how Maine is a severe climate for motor vehicles is just pure ignorance.

 

Using just the time to determine how harsh your drive is probably isn't the best idea. My commute is 30 minutes and 14.3 miles one way. Where my parents live they drive 14.3 miles in around 18 minutes. If I drive to certain parts of town when leaving work my 25 minute commute would only be around 5 miles, but being in Raleigh, NC the potential for "extreme" driving conditions is very high. With that short drive temperatures during the summer are known to reach consistently over 100 degrees May through August, and below freezing consistently October through March. This means that the wear on the engine and the quality of the oil is degraded sooner than in ideal conditions. In the Jeep Grand Cherokee I owned, the vehicle determined the oil change intervals based off of a combination of actual oil viscosity and temperature, and while the factory recommendations were 7500 for ideal driving conditions, and 5k for harsh driving conditions, I would usually get my warning light at around 4500 miles. Some might say that this is just a way for the oil industry to get more money and isn't needed, but do you actually know?

It is much easier to find the studies that jboyorak is referring to than to find where the oil change boogeyman has posted any articles, much less credible ones. We aren't talking about blowing your motor at 100k miles because you changed your oil 100 times instead of 200. There have been plenty of people that have never changed their oil and reached the 100k mark, but they did need a new engine. This is so that when your at 100k miles, your engine still runs smooth, and your gas mileage is still at or above the rated, or whatever you got when the truck was new, or the decrease isn't attributed to the most important system on the truck. If you plan on keeping your car for long enough, then its about reaching the 200k mark with no real issues. My parents have an '04 Explorer 4.0L V6 that they have changed the oil on every 3k-5k. Those motors are notorius for timing chains going bad at around 120k. Why is it that they were able to get 100k miles over that mark without seeing a decrease in performance or have to do any major repairs? I'll give you a hint, it isn't because they changed the oil with the manufacturers ideal ratings in mind and told it what a good job it was doing.

Why would any manufacturer want to tell you the optimal service intervals? This would be bad business on their part. They optimize it for some amount of time where it will run great through a few owners so that those owners will become fans of the vehicle and hopefully buy new ones. Then, at around 150k (if this long) people seem to think that the car is at the very end of its useful life and get a new one.

 

He isnt completely wrong, the whole car will probably just rust away before you could get to your 4th oil change.

 

My dealer does.

 

Drum breaks on a john deere mower seems a little extreme...

 

You see the problem is he hasnt posted any studies. No scientific studies backing up his OPINION, no mechanical breakdowns of engines at different intervals, nothing. I believe he posted a AAA article consisting of some opinions.

Ive linked him to various blackstone threads showing that 10k interval is more than sufficient. He conveniently ignored those.

Toyota lives and dies on reputation. Its not their tech, not price, not comfort, reliability and reputation.

Now ask yourself why they would put out an interval that will lead to early failure and tarnishing their rep? This isnt dodge. Toyotas dont blow motors at 150k.

 

From what I've seen and read, a majority of their recommended service intervals has to do with cost of ownership calculations. It is speculated that manufactures do their best to keep those calculations low to appeal to fleet purchase.

 

I change my oil at 5K period. I use my truck for truck work and every day commuting so I think the oil cost will be well worth it in the end. With a 40K truck, spending double on oil is a no-brainer for me.

 

I posted an article from AAA, who generally keeps up to date on these things. I also posted an article from Hastings, a major filter manufacture. There are plenty of more studies out there confirming that the majority of Americans do not drive in ideal conditions.

From what I recall, you linked one blackstone thread, showing a guy in Louisiana who sent one in. I didn't read the rest of the thread, as it really has no bearing on the argument of severe service. Even though the oil may be fine for 20k, that doesn't mean it is the best thing to go that long. There are so many more variables that just that.

BMW recommends 15k intervals for ideal conditions. There are some running into excessive slugging problems and filter break downs due to this, yet I haven't seen many blackstone tests reporting issues.

Preventive maintenance isn't some boogy man myth to make you spend money.

 

I looked up the stats. 29% of people commute 1-5 miles to work.

 

Do you realize it takes 25 minutes or more to travel 5 miles or less in urban areas...

 

Oh come on, dont stop posting, i need more drama!

 

That still leaves 71% of people driving longer than that. That's greater than 2/3rds all people driving longer... The point is your anecdote of "almost everyone I know" doesnt mean anything to a country of data...