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OIL DRINKING

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by river rat 69, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. Feb 23, 2011 at 11:49 AM
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    NO Chrome,3" NFab's steps,TRD skid,Wet okie's.011 grill, k&n,5100's,All this comes right off when the old lady says let's go get a NEW ONE!!!
    Jest got off ph. with toyota USA case# sent to dealer hope to here from him today (open till 9pm) Ill call in 1 hr. or so.Must do drain and seal first.
     
  2. Feb 24, 2011 at 6:08 AM
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    NO Chrome,3" NFab's steps,TRD skid,Wet okie's.011 grill, k&n,5100's,All this comes right off when the old lady says let's go get a NEW ONE!!!
    Called to talk to serv. mg. yesterday was sent to gen. mg. right off was told corp. line ( owners man. says 600mi per qt.is ok). Asked if he would put that on wind shield of all new tacomas w. 4.0 eng. as a sale ad.helper? Talked to someone today and was told to clear out of this forum till this is over. Will get back when this is fixed or truck is gone. Thanks for all the input from tacoma world much help.So long for now, Jim
     
  3. Feb 24, 2011 at 6:15 AM
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    98tacoma27 is going full "SANDWICH" Moderator

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    Some stuff. Not a lot, just some.
    Paranoid much?
     
  4. Feb 24, 2011 at 6:45 AM
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    Would you pay for advice & not take it? Much later last post for now.
     
  5. Feb 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM
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    I see a couple problems with the bolded line here. First and foremost, though, I can understand the rationale to a limited point - the advice given is free, and is open to ANYONE, so the advice might not be so helpful.

    However, I'm incredibly surprised that you A) Paid for such "advice", and B) Are not offended that someone who told you to "clear out" doesn't think you can discern between what is good and bad advice (so the best bet is for you to "clear out" for a while). I'm sorry, but that situation means that you're either as gullible as a middle schooler, or the person telling you to clear out is afraid that what you're being told hits too close to home somehow. Honestly not sure which way it's actually going.

    I mean, just use common sense here. You're driving a 2007 vehicle, that's 4 years old. One quart per every 600 miles driven? Just as you said, do you think anyone would buy a truck with a 4.0L V6 if they were told that by the time they get to the 3000 mile mark to dutifully change their oil, there would be 5 less quarts of oil than what they started with 3000 miles ago? In what situation, whether it's in the manual or not, is that normal? FIVE QUARTS. A brand new truck that burns over a gallon of oil per oil change. There is no single situation where that makes sense, no such context.

    My wife's car is three years old, and I have changed the oil in it at least five times, and each and every time I put 5 quarts of oil in, and it's usage (which isn't light, by the way) is less than 4 ounces (1/8th of a quart). Consistently. And it's an import engine, too (not Toyota).

    Needless to say something here doesn't add up, but best of luck to you.
     
  6. Feb 25, 2011 at 4:52 AM
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    The issue is NOT whether it's normal!! The issue is whether it's excessive.

    What IS normal is that all OEM's tell you pretty much the same thing: it's not considered EXCESSIVE, and therefore deserving remediation under warranty, unless less than ~600 miles per qt.
     
  7. Feb 25, 2011 at 7:54 AM
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    I understand your emphasis on the wording and the angle that the OEM is coming from, but I effectively meant the same thing when I said normal. The situation does not seem "normal", and does seem excessive, regardless of what is printed in the manual (considering the other factors, such as this is a 2007)
     
  8. Feb 25, 2011 at 11:37 AM
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    Why do you think it's excessive? What's your basis for making the claim?

    The OEM says it's 600 miles per qt. They are so sure of it they even state it very clearly in the manual making it a contractual obligation. Too, most manufacturers make pretty much the same disclaimer (500-750 miles per qt is what I've seen reported).

    Toyota's assertions are backed up by data collected on millions of engines sold operated maybe billions of hours and compare favorably to industry norms for what they consider excessive. What's your assertion based on?

    Your feelings?

    Not saying OP shouldn't take his case to Toyota and see what happens; tilting at windmills is a revered TW hobby after all. Just don't expect anything unless it gets seriously worse than 1000 miles per qt.

    I'm thinking it a good time to tell a friend of a great Taco about to hit the market that he could make a great deal on.
     
  9. Feb 25, 2011 at 11:51 AM
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    I'm pretty sure the advice he paid for was legal advice, sounds like he wants to build a case.
     
  10. Feb 25, 2011 at 12:04 PM
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    You buy a brand new 2011 Tacoma the OEM expects that every 3,000 miles is it completely normal for half of a quart to be left in your oil sump. Out of the original 5.5 quarts that the truck (I believe) holds, you are left with less than 10% of what you started with. Brand new truck, loses 90% of its oil capacity after traveling a distance of 3,000 miles. You drain that truck of it's oil, you get a half of a quart. You replace it with 5.5 quarts. I do not consider this normal for a brand new vehicle, regardless of make, model, size, and I am unaware of any special conditions due to geographic location that change this, and I've been led to assume that the OP doesn't drive like a complete maniac for the sake of my argument.

    If that's fine with you, or if you feel that just because they placed it in the manual, there's nothing left for you to do, fine. I've made the case that it shouldn't be in the manual if that is their intent.

    If I find that my truck is losing 90% of its oil per every 3,000 miles (and God help me if I happen to not change it before I hit 3,000 miles), my engine might seize because it is completely without oil. Sorry, if I come to find out that I end up with 10% of my oil after my first oil change, I'll do whatever it takes to get rid of this truck because that is not what I would consider a reasonable expectation on Toyota's part to have me believe.
     
  11. Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM
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    My assertion is it's not excessive and the entirety of the automobile industry apparently agrees; that's my only assertion.

    I check oil more frequently than every 3000 miles (especially if i know it uses) so I'd not have a problem with it.

    No one said it's normal, just that it's not excessive. I've had one vehicles that really burned oil... but most all did it every now and then. Some brands of oil are prone to consumption so just changing the brand can have remarkable effects.

    If you aren't comfy with it then you're free to do what you want with your vehicle, but as for me I don't get excited about it and certainly don't think that histrionics are at all helpful.
     
  12. Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM
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    Well in this instance... The recommended interval stated by Toyota is every 5000 miles. I do not check my levels and all changes are done at the dealer, so I would be severely pissed if my truck was without oil at 5k.
     
  13. Feb 25, 2011 at 1:05 PM
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    Hmmmm.... Sounds a lot like the issue I had in my 09 370Z.... Those things are notorious for drinking oil.... Have the dealers simply said "its fine", or have they done an oil consumption test?? An oil consumption test consists of them changing your oil, and lock tighting your dip stick and drain plug.. You don't touch or check anything, just drive, and bring it back in 1,000 miles... They empty your oil pan, and make a conclusion.... The typical standard for high consumption (them putting a new engine in your truck) is 1qt. per 1000 miles...... You still got your 60000 powertrain, so it should be covered.... Ask them to perform this test.... I have been there done that, my brand new, 42000 dollar Z was drinking about .75qt every 1200, so they did nothing (I dumped it and got a Taco)
     
  14. Feb 25, 2011 at 1:40 PM
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    As I said before, already understand what you meant by excessive vs. normal:
    So, obviously made it pretty clear my biggest point was that it's not normal, regardless of what they consider excessive.

    Whether or not they pay for it, that's another issue. Perhaps I incorrectly implied that that should be the case, but you are correct in that if they explicitly state what they consider the line for "excessive" (as they have), then OP would have no recourse to "force" them to pay. Regardless, I'm a bit surprised the dealership didn't offer to investigate for a fee to determine what exactly would be needed (again, if OP would pay) to remedy the problem out-of-warranty.

    Because it's a 4 year old vehicle, obviously it's a problem and isn't normal, so the expectation is to either fix the vehicle, or sell it so someone else has to deal with it, with OP unfortunately having to bear whatever brunt the outcome brings.
     
  15. Feb 25, 2011 at 2:19 PM
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    I owned a Trooper once and they told me 1qt per 1,000k was "normal Usage" but I ditched it quick because I did not think that should be normal. Now I have a Tacoma that uses no oil in between changes. Running RP, but I will be switching to Rotell T6 next OCI.
     
  16. Feb 26, 2011 at 9:54 AM
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    I'd love to pull the plugs for inspection.
     
  17. Feb 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM
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    If a fix can be found sure, makes sense: by the way, toyota V6 has a TSB that covers oil leakage at the cam chain cover.

    And sure, check things out: cylinder leak-down, compression all those good things.
     
  18. Feb 26, 2011 at 11:00 AM
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    What do you think you'll find? Oil burning doesn't show on plugs until use-age is pretty high...like around a qt every 100 miles.
     
  19. Feb 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM
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    What year was yours? I had a Rodeo with the 3.2 V6. It had real variable oil useage. Most fills I'd get all 3000 with no oil useage; sometimes level would be fine for 2000 miles and then all of a sudden each of the next 500 would burn off a qt.

    When I starting using synthetic and run longer intervals it would go about 3000 then start burning a qt 700-800 miles until I changed at 5000. It did that for all 150K I had it. Was as solid as a rock, that thing was, even though valves clattered like a banshee at times (known problem issue with hydraulic lifters) it was utterly reliable and never let me down.

    The only problems were with power steering, starter and electricals. That's why I got rid of it. I've no doubt electricals and power steering were GM design stuff.
     
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