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Oil flow question

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by TacoDinner, Aug 24, 2022.

  1. Aug 24, 2022 at 3:36 PM
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    3JOH22A

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    Why do say that? It's the same filter media encased in either a canister or a user-serviceable housing.
     
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  2. Aug 24, 2022 at 5:25 PM
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    I agree, plus most ATV's and motorcycles still use cartridge-type filters as well. They work fine.

    OP, It's your $$ so do what you want but I personally have found that on my own cars I seem to make about the same amount of mess whether I'm changing a spin-on canister filter or a cartridge filter. For me I don't bother with draining the Cartridge first; I treat it as a Canister filter and just remove it, dump the oil in a pan, replace the element, inspect the O-Rings, replace if necessary and re-install.
     
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  3. Aug 24, 2022 at 5:36 PM
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    I stand by keeping things simple. Rather than possibly inducing a leak I'd sooner "upgrade" the plastic cap to an aluminum.

    The cartridges are a pain in the ass, but they aren't bad enough to modify the engine over.

    2nd gen is best gen for oil changes. No question.
     
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  4. Aug 24, 2022 at 6:33 PM
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    Possibly the best canister filter does a better job of filtering than cartridges?
     
  5. Aug 24, 2022 at 6:36 PM
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    I did not know this.
     
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  6. Aug 24, 2022 at 6:37 PM
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    It's much different. The cannister type has a lot more media and can filter down to smaller micron. More area=smaller micron= same flow as a spin on which is less area= larger micron= same flow.
    I laugh when people they see metal in oil. If they can see it then it is not getting anywhere it can do damage. It's those 5-10 micron particles that do the damage. Remember a human hair is 50 microns in diameter. Bacteria is 3 micron.
    I will take more and finer media all day. Ease of change means nothing.
     
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  7. Aug 24, 2022 at 6:41 PM
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    We use oversize spin on in low pressure loop, coupled with cannister style in high pressure loop. Catch the big particles at 400 psi and the small particles at 6000 psi.

    Funny story. I was at a Wix plant touring with a group. They had Pall cannister filters on the machines that made spin on Wix filters. Too funny.
     
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  8. Aug 24, 2022 at 6:44 PM
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    Folks love to complain about the cartridge filter, honestly it’s great. I will agree the stock plastic piece sucks for draining the oil. The Motiv-X tool kit is an awesome way to solve that though. Drain the housing with a hose, pull off the housing and swap it real quick with the cartridge and right back on.

    Much better to me than spinning on a new filter and inevitably making a mess when I remove the old one.
     
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  9. Aug 24, 2022 at 7:53 PM
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    That canister style works on jet engines too.
     
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  10. Aug 25, 2022 at 3:06 PM
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    Speaking of switching over to an aluminum cartridge housing... any still have their factory plastic one available to donate? I have an idea I'd like to try, and don't have enough motivation to source a new one.
     
  11. Aug 29, 2022 at 9:06 AM
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    spin_on_filter.jpg

    Here it is, just did my first oil change at 974 miles and put on the Baxter adapter and a spin on filter.

    After seeing that the drain plug is not covered by the shield, I decided not to install the Fumoto valve due to the possibility of something hitting it.

    Below is the old filter element. Doesn't look very dirty to me.

    filter_element.jpg
     
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  12. Aug 29, 2022 at 9:13 AM
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    With under 1k on a 10k OCI spec, I should hope not.
     
  13. Aug 29, 2022 at 9:22 AM
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    If you are happy with the spin on filter & adapter that's great.

    oil change at 974 miles is only 9026 miles early, it shouldn't even be close to dirty. The drips of oil from your element in your pics still look brand new.
     
  14. Aug 29, 2022 at 9:28 AM
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    Keep in mind another reason manufacturers are going away from spin on filters is they are harder to dispose of in an environmentally friendly manner. At my shop we paid about $150 for a recycling company to collect a 55 gallon drum of drained and crushed spin on filters. What they do with them I have no idea, but many end up in the landfill.
     
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  15. Aug 29, 2022 at 11:09 AM
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    I think the 2.4 Turbo that is expected to be in the upcoming 4th Gen Taco will be going back to the spin on filter.
     
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    I'll just add a piece of hose to toyota's little filter drain doohickey they supply with their oil filters, so you don't get the oil drained down your arm when you plug it in.
     
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  17. Aug 29, 2022 at 11:40 AM
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    If you stick that little piece in an empty bottle you just shove it up and it drains right into the bottle, you can save yourself that piece of hose.
     
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  18. Nov 18, 2022 at 11:13 AM
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    @malatx,
    I just did the second oil change. The Baxter adapter did not budge when I removed the oil filter. The spin on oil filter was only hand tight.
     

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