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Oil Type and Brands?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Amanwithnoplan, Dec 29, 2021.

  1. Jan 1, 2022 at 2:35 PM
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    TacoTuesday1

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    I use synthetic of whatever weight approx every 3-5k

    oil is cheaper than engine replacement
    OEM dealer filter

    engines tend to have small filters and screens inside of them, besides the main filter. Not sure why engineers put them.
    Maybe it's a Pro Gamer Move to blow your engine up by 100k to force you into buying their new shittier model.
    So if the previous owner had garbage OCI practices before you for the first 100k or whatever, then such screens are likely clogging. They are usually only accessible to clean or delete by engine disassembly.


    not sure how oil is able to tell the engine has "high mileage" especially if it is well maintained and looks clean/sludge-free inside

    tick is from a PCV valve that can be quieted with rubber washers
    if it's also from lifters and has not blown up by now, it's probably normal and will continue to run

    Fram stands for garbage
    dealer filters are pretty cheap
    I'm sure if a tech opens the hood and sees anything other than a dealer filter, they will be disappointed. For a reason. It is higher quality.
    They don't care who installed it. If you installed it yourself, they'd prefer that. To know the engine has a proper filter.

    gotta love KN. Same company that makes oiled "lifetime" engine air filters that damage MAFs

    Do you know this is always misinterpreted backwards?
    Let me guide you through it and break it down in a way simple enough to understand.
    What oil do auto makers pick? Synthetic.
    Why? Because they can push the OCI intervals farther to 10k or more.
    Why? Because they're paying for it, not you. And they are cheap as fuck. So when you have a complimentary/free maintenance package, they would rather spend less money in the early years of ownership on your car giving you oil changes.
    Why would they want to give you free oil every 5k, when they can skimp and push it to every 10k? But they will still charge you a lot and buy oil for cheap.
    They'll even flip the story to "this makes our car better, we have figured out how to make it need less maintenance" - no they haven't. The engine runs the same. The oil is the same.
    Why do you think vehicles with 10k OCI's have more sludge than 5k?
    What do people rely on to do an oil change?
    The reminder on the dash.
    When is the reminder set to come on? On many vehicles, 10k or more.
    Otherwise people are driving along happy, smiling, sludging their engine, not doing an extra oil change.
    It's also supposed to be minimum at least once per year by time/days, which the computer may also be set to know.
    If a car is said to require "less oil changes" it can be marketed as being cheaper to own/lower maintenance cost than competitors.
    Ever seen that recent commercial always on with VW saying it's vehicle (Tiguan?) requires less maintenance than a Toyota? Comedy

    Do they care? No. Because they want your engine to break. Why?
    Because 1 of 2 happens.
    1. You pay them for repair. Awesome, they make a lot of money, including the sale of parts which has marked up prices.
    2. You get rid of the car and buy their expensive new one. Awesome, they make a lot of money
    They win in both situations
    They are profiteers in the business to make money and no other reason. Extended oil intervals is a part of the strategy.

    people just think if you put a Toyota emblem on the same design engine all of a sudden it becomes OK and recommended to piss and shit into the gas tank
     
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  2. Jan 1, 2022 at 2:37 PM
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    Dalegribble02

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    I just use mobil 1 5w30 synthetic with either a mobil filter or kn filter. No issues
     
  3. Jan 1, 2022 at 2:52 PM
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    Plain Jane Taco

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    Perpetuating old stereotypes. You need to hang out on Bobistheoilguy site where nerds that know considerably more about such things than anyone around here hang out. You would be hard pressed to find a better built, better designed filter than Fram's Ultra/GX series. And the orange cans are no worse than any other cheap filter.

    Everyone seems to know a story from their father or grandfather or some mechanic over the age of 60 who knows a guy whose brother's, cousin's, best friend from high-school's Mustang "blew up on an orange can of death". The internet has only grown the stories over the last 25 years.

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  4. Jan 1, 2022 at 2:54 PM
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    I don't use BITOG.
    If Fram was good the dealer/manufacturer would use it.
    I don't go by "stories" I go by professional experience of having worked as a mechanic for years where any time I see an engine with that filter it has problems

    but hey if you're happy with it then you're happy with it
     
  5. Jan 1, 2022 at 3:00 PM
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    Plain Jane Taco

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    The dealer uses OEM filters because that's what they use. Has nothing to do with old wive's tails. In my nearly 40 years of wrenching (8 years in a service department) I have never once seen an issue with a Fram filter nor do I know a single technician (and I've known many over the years) that has ever seen a Fram filter related issue.

    I challenge anyone to give hard proof of an issue....besides anecdotal stories and stories handed down from person to person
     
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  6. Jan 1, 2022 at 3:07 PM
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    TacoTues, I have slapped a few rubber washers on the old ticker, and it is perhaps, subjectively, quieted, but either way it just it what it is. Engineers utilize a different mixture to 'help rejuvenate old seals'
     
  7. Jan 1, 2022 at 3:43 PM
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    That one old guy

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    Scotty, is that you??????:eek:
     
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    The higher end Fram filters are fine. I use oversized Lexus OEM filter on my taco bought in bulk off Amazon. My rig is 18 years old and running strong. Oh yeah M1 synthetic twice a year with maybe 2500 miles per change. I sleep well.
     
  9. Jan 1, 2022 at 4:18 PM
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    which lexus filter? do you compensate with more oil?
     
  10. Jan 1, 2022 at 4:26 PM
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    there simply are not any ‘ Bad ‘ oils proffered by the major brands

    its wise to continue using the oil Uv always used

    some have had bad experiences mixing types & brand

    keeping up with the latest marketing will only drive U nutz

    the ‘ extended ‘............’ hi mileage '........trendy meaningless fluffy terms are not substantiated
     
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    I would have agreed with you on the Fram ultra filter, and I have been using it for years. Unfortunately Fram has cheapened that filter as of 9/21. You can see those discussions on BITOG. For what I have read and can tell the filter media is now 1 layer of synthetic with a cellulose standard layer replacing the aluminum/metal reinforced piece. The filter use to have 2 layers of synthetic material supported by the metal backing.

    is it a horrible filter… I don’t think so, but it is not what it once was.
     
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  14. Jan 1, 2022 at 4:46 PM
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    Sounds like the idiots at Autozone have no clue what they are talking about, as usual.

    Use synthetic.
     
  15. Jan 1, 2022 at 4:47 PM
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    Montana_Actual

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    Going on like 3 just today.



    Do I hear 4? Is there 4 left in the audience?
     
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    Oil threads are gold Jerry! Gold!
     
  18. Jan 1, 2022 at 4:55 PM
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    I agree, as long as the oil meets the spec then it’s all good… I personally wanted folks to know that Fram has cheapened the ultra filter which is still a decent filter, but not the awesome deal that it once was.
     
  19. Jan 1, 2022 at 5:00 PM
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    Fram is NOT a decent filter. Not by a long shot.

    Ugh, I can't even...
     
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  20. Jan 1, 2022 at 5:30 PM
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    It's my understanding that only the backing was removed and the synthetic media was left the same. Either way though....it's still a quality filter. I particularly like it's robust synthetic ADBV
     
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